(04-14-2017, 05:48 PM)irukandji Wrote: [ -> ] (04-13-2017, 07:48 AM)Mrtrick Wrote: [ -> ]As to the risk of danger intruding on their home lives, Diana and Kelly will always face some threat, by the simple virtue of their origin.
Wouldn't that be a reason to sway them away from the grimm life, rather than encouraging them to participate?
No. It's a reason to prepare them. I know that in this age of helicopter parenting, the prevailing instinct is to protect kids to such a profound degree, that they become infantilized adults, but Diana and Kelly need to be fully educated on the worlds hard truths. Whether they take up the mantle or not, they must possess the tools to make a well informed choice. And Diana is a great example of the saying, "With great power, comes great responsibility." She must learn what she's capable of and decide how she's going to use that power.
(04-13-2017, 07:48 AM)Mrtrick Wrote: [ -> ]Diana will always be some prophetic wunderkind with Royal heritage. Kelly will always be born of Grimm and Hexenbeist. A combination so rare that for all we know, he could be the first. Groups like the Royal family or Black Claw may always have designs on these children, no matter where they go.
(04-14-2017, 05:48 PM)irukandji Wrote: [ -> ]The way I understand it, there is no Black Claw. However, I don't think grimms or hexenbiests would look kindly on a grimm/hexenbiest hybrid. I'm not so sure Kelly has grimm powers, but I would suspect if he does, they would be considerably weakened by the zauerbiest part of him. So Nick's enemies might look upon him as a way to get revenge on his father.
I said groups "like" Black Claw. There will always be some repeating variation on that concept. It's the nature of zealotry. And we have no idea what result may come from the combination of Grimm and Hexenbeist bloodlines. The Grimm aspect may override other possibilities. There could be a blending of the two. If Kelly is writing in the Grimm journals, it seems likely that he's become one. Perhaps quite recently. The acceleration of his gift may be a result of Adalind's genetic influence. The writers made allusions to the fact that Kelly was, in fact, a Grimm. And from a thematic standpoint, it makes sense that he would be so. As this represents Nick's legacy, it would be odd for Kelly not to be a Grimm at this point. The epilogue could have just as easily said 18 years later or 23 years later. Twenty, was a nice round number. It put Kelly at his 21st year and full adulthood. And it shows him documenting an important story from his childhood, perhaps his first entry in the Grimm Journals. This is all meant to represent his ascension to Grimhhood and furtherance of that tradition.
(04-13-2017, 07:48 AM)Mrtrick Wrote: [ -> ]If Adalind took them to a shack in North Dakota, and performed some protection spell, it's no guarantee that danger wouldn't find them. And if it did, she would be alone in trying to save them.
(04-14-2017, 05:48 PM)irukandji Wrote: [ -> ]Why would she be alone in trying to save them?
Because, following this narrative, she would have isolated herself and the children from all things Grimm and Wesen, avoiding all contact with the past. She would be alone, because she's to far away to ask for assistance. Given the supposition that all things Grimm are bad, you must then assume that the kids must be kept from all things Grimm. Which also means, by association, all things Wesen. If you take into consideration, the fact that these kids will always remain appealing to certain nefarious types, then they would need to be isolated, if they cannot be permitted to stay inside a larger, protective, familial circle. You've yet to explain how you might manage this in a way that's beneficial in the long run, but conjecture is always easy when you don't have to back it up.
(04-13-2017, 07:48 AM)Mrtrick Wrote: [ -> ]On the matter of a perceived contradiction between Nick's identity as both Grimm and Detective, I would say that they're two sides of the same coin. Both mean a great deal to him. And both sides rely on the other, in order for him to be the best at what he does. Certainly he knows less about being a Grimm, but it's a learning process. So much of the Wesen world and Grimm history is steeped in mystery and obscured by the mists of time. But he's miles away from where he started. At the end, he's fully aware of what that legacy represents.
(04-14-2017, 05:48 PM)irukandji Wrote: [ -> ]That's only because you see the grimm legacy as something good. But is it really? Consider this. Nick has no time honored procedures to follow as a grimm. You said he's learning. Learning from whom? He's freed wesen and killed wesen. He considers himself judge, jury and executioner. He's not above torture to get what he wants.
Law enforcement officers take an oath to protect the public. That doesn't mean just humans, it means everyone.
You really should start a thread called "What's the point of Grimm? Why don't we just go watch Law & Order?". The show is called Grimm! If you can't even get behind the concept of the series, what's the friggin' point! Were you mistakenly under the impression that the theme over these last six seasons was, "Grimms are pointless and they should all just go away." Maybe you also wondered why there always had to be these stupid Wesen around, screwing up your well ordered sense of the justice system. It makes you wonder why they never make procedurals about ordinary people and leave out the monsters. (That was sarcasm, by the way)
Nick is learning by doing. It's the only way he can. He reads the journals for a better understanding of history. He uses the Wesen he knows for insight into whatever he's dealing with at the moment. The experience he gains informs the decisions he makes in the future. His mandate to protect the public is part of both the cop and Grimm sides of his identity. But, since there is no law that could function as an instruction manual for his Grimm duties, he must apply both in different manners. When the legal system has no apparatus in place to judge Wesen fairly, what can be done? How do you deal with a killer tree? What about a giant rat monster? Zombies? What was the logical outcome of all Nick's cases if he wasn't there in his capacity as a Grimm? Nobody ever said he always made the right call, but he's made the best ones he knew how.
(04-13-2017, 07:48 AM)Mrtrick Wrote: [ -> ]As having a police force is a requirement for a civil society, so to is the presence of the Grimm for maintaining Wesen stability. So many of Nick's cases would have gone unsolved or ended more tragically had Nick not been both cop and Grimm. The Grimm may not have a governing body, but their judgement and sense of morality is the final arbiter of justice on that side of the fence. And with the council in disarray, he's needed more than ever. In many ways, Wesen society is the Wild West. It's too culturally divisive and mercurial to ever have an all encompassing form of jurisprudence. And the Wesen secret must be protected, because it would be anarchy if it were ever widely known. Nick, maybe more than any Grimm before him, is in a perfect position to maintain that balance. His work is important. Not least of which, because he may be changing the future by ushering in a new methodology. He doesn't need to know everything about the Grimm and the things they've done, to see what they might be able to become.
(04-14-2017, 05:48 PM)irukandji Wrote: [ -> ]It's my belief that the vast majority of wesen that are in Portland immigrated to the US because they hold the same beliefs as their human peers. In other words, they appreciate the freedoms that the US offers but at the same time respect that there is a law in place.
Nick isn't really needed and he certainly doesn't maintain any balance. It would be illogical not to mention unbelievable to think that human law enforcement isn't able to apprehend and incarcerate wesen.
Most of the Wesen in Portland are simply Americans. There identity as immigrants is somewhat diluted, as it is for most people, several generations down the line. Certainly those law abiding Wesen respect our system of justice. But they also have cultural idiosyncrasies and behavioral abnormalities that fall outside what could be considered lawful. The Grimm is the arbiter because he sits apart from both worlds. Neither a normal human or a Wesen, the Grimm is meant to be the balance of both societies. We learned that all Grimm descended from one individual. This speaks to a divine influence. An individual, meant to pass down a legacy of defense, placed in that precise position. Put there to offer balance. The world was a much more chaotic place then. In this day and age, with a system of law in place, Nick must use both to inform his choices. But there can be no governing body to command the Grimm, because they are unto themselves. Unless the Grimm decided to form there own council. They can seek guidance or fall under the sway of an external power, like the council or Hadrian's Wall. But they will always remain self determining. The fact that Nick is seeking a more open notion of what the Grimm does, means he is pulling that legacy out of the lone wolf mentality that dominated the past. Some of those law abiding Wesen, like Bud, have actually sought him out for assistance with Wesen matters. This indicates that they themselves realize there are some troubles that the justice system is ill equipped to understand.