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(04-06-2017, 05:16 AM)irukandji Wrote: [ -> ]You can soften it up any way you like, Mary. The fact of the matter is, Adalind's responsible for Marie's death. Nick never gathered the scoobies together and rampaged after her that night. Even when she attacked his partner, he still never rampaged after her. He didn't even rage after her when she poisoned Juliette.

Yet Juliette, who becomes a hexenbiest because of him and gets some revenge on his weirdness toward her by betraying Kelly, is all of the sudden the one he's out to get? Then he hooks up with Adalind simply because she's sporting his child?

If that isn't a biased, slanted story, I don't know what is.

Sean sent Adalind to try and kill Marie, but she was unsuccessful because Nick recognized her. Marie didn't even know about it because she was unconcious at the time. And when Adalind cursed Hank, Nick did go after her. They had a huge fight, in which Adalind lost her powers. And if Nick chooses not kill her at the time, it's because in those early years, he was still very much in cop mode. Not to mention the fact that Nick has never been the sort to kill a defenseless woman, which she was by that point. Lastly, when Juliette was put under a sleeping curse, Adalind made quick tracks to Europe. Nick tried to find her, but couldn't. Had he caught up to her, maybe it goes badly, but that's a road untraveled. By the time Adalind was back in town, Juliette was alive and well, (relatively speaking), so Nick's anger had abated. He certainly hated her guts, but he wasn't going to try and murder her for something that almost happened.

If Nick was weirded out by Juliette as a Hexenbeist, it's as much because of what Adalind had done, as it was was the shock of seeing her face turn into this frightening visage. At this point, Nick still had the traditional Grimm view of the Hexenbeist. And Juliette wasn't exactly comforting about it, rubbing it in his face. Nothing that happened over the next few weeks would help to assuage those jaundiced opinions. Nick did everything he could to bring Juliette back, but she was fighting him at every turn. Even after Kelly's death he couldn't bring himself to kill her. Trubel had to pull the trigger.

What happened with Adalind is so much more complicated than hooking up with her because she was having his baby. It begins with the fact that Adalind had been slowly and subtly changing for quite some time. From pregnancy onward, she had been working her way back to a buried humanity. Even after becoming a Hexenbeist again, those changes continued. I've always believed that the Hexenbeist within her had been slowly chipped away by a series of events. Sharing that power with Diana. Turning into Juliette and creating a magical connection to Nick. Having Juliette take a portion of that power for herself. It all had the effect of removing the Hexenbeist influence on Adalind's psyche. By the time she willingly gives up that power to create the suppressant, Adalind is already a changed woman. She just doesn't know it yet. The rest is an emotional armor that she had been building for herself since childhood. Her mother had wanted to mold her in her own image, and though she tried to buck that path, by the time we meet her, that's exactly who she's become. An object for powerful men like Sean Renard and the Royals to use out of lust and a desire for influence and control. Her entire journey over the first four seasons, (though she doesn't realize it), is to break free of that path.

When Nick is confronted with a pregnant Adalind, what else can he do but protect her. That's his child inside of her. Neither of their views of each other has changed at this point. He doesn't trust her. She's still afraid of him. But once that Hexenbeist side of her is suppressed, he can't keep looking at her as an enemy, but as a pregnant woman. One he needs to take care of. From a male perspective, that's an almost instinctual reaction. Once the fight was finished, and they had time to consider what was happening in their lives, they had no choice but to lean on each other. With a baby to look after and threats still looming, they had to huddle together. Inspite of their past, an intimacy inevitably developed. They had to get to know each other as people instead of archetypes. It had to shock both of them when they realized that they actually liked each other. Knowing her as a person and learning to care about her had a lasting effect on his whole view of the Hexenbeist issue. When she got her powers back, it didn't change her personality or her loyalty to him, so Nick never had a reason to fall back on old prejudices. For Adalind, falling in love with Nick was easy because she found herself living with a man who was kind and protective. A man who cared about her and respected her in a way that no man probably ever had in her whole life. An actual Knight in shining armor and loving father, which she probably doubted existed. For Nick, it was like living with a completely different woman. Atleast, different from any of his expectations. She was warm and supportive. They never bickered about anything. She became and unexpected foundation for him in turbulent times. Recognizing it as love was a slower process for Nick, but she just kept surprising him. Seeing her, day in and day out, as a loving and patient mother also had a massive impact on his evolving affection for her. He told Monroe once, before he had slept with Adalind, that it all seemed so "strangely normal". Eventually it stopped being strange to him at all. If you want to blame someone or something for what happened between them, blame fate. It forced them to view the world and each other differently. People do get to change, for better or worse. They just underwent a positive one. And for all her pain, Eve is where she's meant to be as well. She said she wouldn't change things if she could. That applies to Nick and Adalind as well as herself.
(04-06-2017, 07:22 AM)Tara Wrote: [ -> ]Cause all things which lead Juliette to be a Hexenbiest. Steal Juliette her boyfriend...And get away with all, so yes she would be favorable treated.

So Adalind shouldn't have tried to get her child back because of a side effect of a spell that Juliette willingly chose to do and Adalind had no clue she would try? That makes no sense. Adalind was suppose to have put more care and consideration into the well being of her child's kidnappers, than her own actual child? Adalind was suppose to be ok with losing her child just to keep Juliette safe? I honestly don't understand that line of thinking at all.

What led to Juliette becoming a hexenbiest was Nick and the gang stealing her child. And Adalind didn't steal Juliette's boyfriend. Nick and Juliette were done, Juliette slept with Renard and Kenneth, assisted with Kellys' death and tried to kill Nick. The relationship was over long before anything happened between Nick and Adalind.
Adalind did not steal anything from Juliette. Nick gave priority to his son leaving aside your personal life-it is sacrifice too-. As did her aunt Marie.
Nick knew she was a lawyer- season 1 chapter 1- so I think that caught his attention. A lawyer in a white doctor's robe or nurse. Very rare. I think that's why could not accuse her.
For me, Adalind is the one who messed up everything. Be it Juliette from the beginning of the series - Juliette was the weakest member. Ruins everything between Nick and Juliette. But I do not like to discuss it anymore.
(04-06-2017, 07:22 AM)Tara Wrote: [ -> ]Cause all things which lead Juliette to be a Hexenbiest. Steal Juliette her boyfriend...And get away with all, so yes she would be favorable treated.

Juliette was not living with Nick for 6 months and she set up Nick's mom with the email and Nick thought she was dead all before Nick let Adalind and his own son stay at his house when they had nowhere else to go.

Adalind did do really terrible things to Juliette but the bottom line is Juliette left Nick for good reasons. Juliette wanted a traditional life of marriage and children no grimm/ wesens hurting or wanted to be equal partners in the Grimm hunt which Nick did not want either Juliette or Adalind to do at that time. In order to be part of Nick's scooby team, Nicks expects you to take the lead from him most of the time. Nick does not want moms to be taking unneeded risks for the team.
(04-06-2017, 07:36 AM)Mrtrick Wrote: [ -> ]Sean sent Adalind to try and kill Marie, but she was unsuccessful because Nick recognized her. Marie didn't even know about it because she was unconcious at the time. And when Adalind cursed Hank, Nick did go after her. They had a huge fight, in which Adalind lost her powers. And if Nick chooses not kill her at the time, it's because in those early years, he was still very much in cop mode. Not to mention the fact that Nick has never been the sort to kill a defenseless woman, which she was by that point. Lastly, when Juliette was put under a sleeping curse, Adalind made quick tracks to Europe. Nick tried to find her, but couldn't. Had he caught up to her, maybe it goes badly, but that's a road untraveled. By the time Adalind was back in town, Juliette was alive and well, (relatively speaking), so Nick's anger had abated. He certainly hated her guts, but he wasn't going to try and murder her for something that almost happened.

If Nick was weirded out by Juliette as a Hexenbeist, it's as much because of what Adalind had done, as it was was the shock of seeing her face turn into this frightening visage. At this point, Nick still had the traditional Grimm view of the Hexenbeist. And Juliette wasn't exactly comforting about it, rubbing it in his face. Nothing that happened over the next few weeks would help to assuage those jaundiced opinions. Nick did everything he could to bring Juliette back, but she was fighting him at every turn. Even after Kelly's death he couldn't bring himself to kill her. Trubel had to pull the trigger.

What happened with Adalind is so much more complicated than hooking up with her because she was having his baby. It begins with the fact that Adalind had been slowly and subtly changing for quite some time. From pregnancy onward, she had been working her way back to a buried humanity. Even after becoming a Hexenbeist again, those changes continued. I've always believed that the Hexenbeist within her had been slowly chipped away by a series of events. Sharing that power with Diana. Turning into Juliette and creating a magical connection to Nick. Having Juliette take a portion of that power for herself. It all had the effect of removing the Hexenbeist influence on Adalind's psyche. By the time she willingly gives up that power to create the suppressant, Adalind is already a changed woman. She just doesn't know it yet. The rest is an emotional armor that she had been building for herself since childhood. Her mother had wanted to mold her in her own image, and though she tried to buck that path, by the time we meet her, that's exactly who she's become. An object for powerful men like Sean Renard and the Royals to use out of lust and a desire for influence and control. Her entire journey over the first four seasons, (though she doesn't realize it), is to break free of that path.

When Nick is confronted with a pregnant Adalind, what else can he do but protect her. That's his child inside of her. Neither of their views of each other has changed at this point. He doesn't trust her. She's still afraid of him. But once that Hexenbeist side of her is suppressed, he can't keep looking at her as an enemy, but as a pregnant woman. One he needs to take care of. From a male perspective, that's an almost instinctual reaction. Once the fight was finished, and they had time to consider what was happening in their lives, they had no choice but to lean on each other. With a baby to look after and threats still looming, they had to huddle together. Inspite of their past, an intimacy inevitably developed. They had to get to know each other as people instead of archetypes. It had to shock both of them when they realized that they actually liked each other. Knowing her as a person and learning to care about her had a lasting effect on his whole view of the Hexenbeist issue. When she got her powers back, it didn't change her personality or her loyalty to him, so Nick never had a reason to fall back on old prejudices. For Adalind, falling in love with Nick was easy because she found herself living with a man who was kind and protective. A man who cared about her and respected her in a way that no man probably ever had in her whole life. An actual Knight in shining armor and loving father, which she probably doubted existed. For Nick, it was like living with a completely different woman. Atleast, different from any of his expectations. She was warm and supportive. They never bickered about anything. She became and unexpected foundation for him in turbulent times. Recognizing it as love was a slower process for Nick, but she just kept surprising him. Seeing her, day in and day out, as a loving and patient mother also had a massive impact on his evolving affection for her. He told Monroe once, before he had slept with Adalind, that it all seemed so "strangely normal". Eventually it stopped being strange to him at all. If you want to blame someone or something for what happened between them, blame fate. It forced them to view the world and each other differently. People do get to change, for better or worse. They just underwent a positive one. And for all her pain, Eve is where she's meant to be as well. She said she wouldn't change things if she could. That applies to Nick and Adalind as well as herself.

Doesn't all this tell you that the series was biased toward Adalind?
(04-06-2017, 08:31 AM)MarylikesGrimm Wrote: [ -> ]
(04-06-2017, 07:22 AM)Tara Wrote: [ -> ]Cause all things which lead Juliette to be a Hexenbiest. Steal Juliette her boyfriend...And get away with all, so yes she would be favorable treated.

Juliette was not living with Nick for 6 months and she set up Nick's mom with the email and Nick thought she was dead all before Nick let Adalind and his own son stay at his house when they had nowhere else to go.

Adalind did do really terrible things to Juliette but the bottom line is Juliette left Nick for good reasons. Juliette wanted a traditional life of marriage and children no grimm/ wesens hurting or wanted to be equal partners in the Grimm hunt which Nick did not want either Juliette or Adalind to do at that time. In order to be part of Nick's scooby team, Nicks expects you to take the lead from him most of the time. Nick does not want moms to be taking unneeded risks for the team.

And who is to blame for the break up? Would Nick and Juliette separate if Adalind wouldn't have done it? The answer is NO
(04-06-2017, 08:39 AM)Tara Wrote: [ -> ]
(04-06-2017, 08:31 AM)MarylikesGrimm Wrote: [ -> ]
(04-06-2017, 07:22 AM)Tara Wrote: [ -> ]Cause all things which lead Juliette to be a Hexenbiest. Steal Juliette her boyfriend...And get away with all, so yes she would be favorable treated.

Juliette was not living with Nick for 6 months and she set up Nick's mom with the email and Nick thought she was dead all before Nick let Adalind and his own son stay at his house when they had nowhere else to go.

Adalind did do really terrible things to Juliette but the bottom line is Juliette left Nick for good reasons. Juliette wanted a traditional life of marriage and children no grimm/ wesens hurting or wanted to be equal partners in the Grimm hunt which Nick did not want either Juliette or Adalind to do at that time. In order to be part of Nick's scooby team, Nicks expects you to take the lead from him most of the time. Nick does not want moms to be taking unneeded risks for the team.

And who is to blame for the break up? Would Nick and Juliette separate if Adalind wouldn't have done it? The answer is NO

And why did Adalind do it? Because they stole her child. Would she have done if they hadn't taken her child? The answer is NO.
None of this would have happened had they not kidnapped Diana. The fault lays with Nick and the gang, they even said so.
For goodness gracious, a person cannot be stolen from another and in the case of Nick, even less so since Juliette dumped Nick pretty quickly after finding out about the pregnancy. Several months passed between then and Kelly's birth, Nick moved Adalind into the loft and still, nothing happened for another couple of months and they were sleeping in the same bed for weeks straight. Adalind didn't steal Nick from Juliette, he came to her freely with no former attachments to stop him, not even when Eve showed up and they'd done nothing more than share a kiss.
(04-06-2017, 07:36 AM)Mrtrick Wrote: [ -> ]Lastly, when Juliette was put under a sleeping curse, Adalind made quick tracks to Europe. Nick tried to find her, but couldn't. Had he caught up to her, maybe it goes badly, but that's a road untraveled. By the time Adalind was back in town, Juliette was alive and well, (relatively speaking), so Nick's anger had abated. He certainly hated her guts, but he wasn't going to try and murder her for something that almost happened.

Nick's mom had killed Adalind mom too over the coma so that lowered his anger at Adalind too.