(04-14-2017, 01:54 PM)Tara Wrote: [ -> ] (04-14-2017, 01:47 PM)MarylikesGrimm Wrote: [ -> ] (04-14-2017, 01:39 PM)Tara Wrote: [ -> ]There is still a difference. Both hurting each other - not only Spike towards Buffy - Buffy did the same to Spike. And with Spuffy there was no rape - But Nadalind there was a rape.
Buffy did not want sex and was in pain from a fight she just had. Spike only stopped because Buffy stopped him and she was injured by him so that was sexual assault. Sex by using deception (pretending to be someone you are not) where their are no drugs or the like involved is legally sexual assault too.
Let us summarize it - you said Spike raped Buffy (but there was no rape involved) He tried it, but failed.
Adalind raped Nick ( and there was no rape involved) Is it right? Because this makes absolutely no sense.
(04-14-2017, 01:54 PM)Tara Wrote: [ -> ] (04-14-2017, 01:47 PM)MarylikesGrimm Wrote: [ -> ] (04-14-2017, 01:39 PM)Tara Wrote: [ -> ]There is still a difference. Both hurting each other - not only Spike towards Buffy - Buffy did the same to Spike. And with Spuffy there was no rape - But Nadalind there was a rape.
Buffy did not want sex and was in pain from a fight she just had. Spike only stopped because Buffy stopped him and she was injured by him so that was sexual assault. Sex by using deception (pretending to be someone you are not) where their are no drugs or the like involved is legally sexual assault too.
Let us summarize it - you said Spike raped Buffy (but there was no rape involved) He tried it, but failed.
Adalind raped Nick ( and there was no rape involved) Is it right? Because this makes absolutely no sense.
If you’re suggesting the show should explore or viewers should judge the legal ramifications, then Diana’s kidnapping must also be considered. The legal system may not accept Adalind’s attempt to find her kidnapped baby as an acceptable defense, but it also won’t accept that Kelly and Nick kidnapped someone’s child because they deemed it necessary.
Your argument that only one crime occurred is biased. Add that in one show the victim/assailant is a slayer/vampire and in the other show a Grimm/Hexenbiest, there’s hardly a legal precedent for a court to consider.
(04-14-2017, 05:56 AM)MarylikesGrimm Wrote: [ -> ]Sometimes the shipping polls run on Christmas for twitter and Facebook and you wonder who was running them. Why do you think G&K was laughing at the viewers?
You said it yourself, Mary. It was not a scientific poll. So the purpose was............hmmm, well we don't really know because the two geniuses behind it really didn't provide a purpose. To top it off, it's not a poll where answers can be tabulated into some kind of format. Instead they're asking for short essay answers. In other words, this is just ridiculous stunt geared to see who's going to be dumb enough to bother answering their poll.
(04-14-2017, 08:03 AM)Nicholas White Wrote: [ -> ]The viewers are more important to a show than any Honcho at NBC. The viewership decides rather a show gets renewed or canceled.
Except you're forgetting in the situation described it was the two goofballs, G&K, who prepared this poll. The poll was developed for no reason other than a stunt.
I think much can be gained from scientific polls. But that was not what the two geniuses concocted. Instead they conducted a negative, non-scientific poll geared at nothing. That's not taking their audience seriously.
They wanted to know what fans thought of the show they created. How is that a stunt?
(04-14-2017, 03:40 PM)Circe27 Wrote: [ -> ]They wanted to know what fans thought of the show they created. How is that a stunt?
You mean they can't read the ratings like everyone else?
(04-14-2017, 01:21 PM)MarylikesGrimm Wrote: [ -> ]No that is not true. If someone write an essay or leaves a comment about a view that would be counted as a stronger view in the transformed data. The wording is very important here too because Adalind voters are often voting about the kids too.
1) Which does Nick love in his heart more Eve/Juliette or Adalind?
2) Should Nick leave Adalind, Kelly and Diana to go to Eve/Juliette who shown no interest in Nick for 1.5 years?
Nobody who's running the show is reading any of those essays. The reason focus groups are conducted by third parties is to put a wall between the participants and the producers, so that nobody can claim their ideas for a plot were stolen. If they want to know the intensity of anyone's views, there will be questions where the answer options are "agree/strongly agree" and "disagree/strongly disagree." Otherwise, the questions are all binary choice as in your examples.
Focus group polling is not done on public websites. The groups are statistically selected to represent the target audience. A web poll that anyone can answer is a promotion, and the results go nowhere except that page that comes up when you vote or click on "view results."
(04-14-2017, 03:54 PM)FaceInTheCrowd Wrote: [ -> ]Nobody who's running the show is reading any of those essays.
G&K read the essays that they asked for from Yohoo.
(04-14-2017, 03:54 PM)FaceInTheCrowd Wrote: [ -> ]A web poll that anyone can answer is a promotion, and the results go nowhere except that page that comes up when you vote or click on "view results."
At Oppenheimerfunds and PCH, we ran these polls using the data exactly as I explained it. The data can be merged behind the scenes with other sources using reporting tools and Python (using an API).
(04-14-2017, 04:02 PM)MarylikesGrimm Wrote: [ -> ] (04-14-2017, 03:54 PM)FaceInTheCrowd Wrote: [ -> ]Nobody who's running the show is reading any of those essays.
G&K read the essays that they asked for from Yohoo.
(04-14-2017, 03:54 PM)FaceInTheCrowd Wrote: [ -> ]A web poll that anyone can answer is a promotion, and the results go nowhere except that page that comes up when you vote or click on "view results."
At Oppenheimerfunds and PCH, we ran these polls using the data exactly as I explained it. The data can be merged behind the scenes with other sources using reporting tools and Python (using an API).
Yes, but really, why would anyone care enough to poll if Nick really loves Adalind or if Nick should leave Adalind?
(04-14-2017, 04:13 PM)irukandji Wrote: [ -> ] (04-14-2017, 04:02 PM)MarylikesGrimm Wrote: [ -> ] (04-14-2017, 03:54 PM)FaceInTheCrowd Wrote: [ -> ]Nobody who's running the show is reading any of those essays.
G&K read the essays that they asked for from Yohoo.
(04-14-2017, 03:54 PM)FaceInTheCrowd Wrote: [ -> ]A web poll that anyone can answer is a promotion, and the results go nowhere except that page that comes up when you vote or click on "view results."
At Oppenheimerfunds and PCH, we ran these polls using the data exactly as I explained it. The data can be merged behind the scenes with other sources using reporting tools and Python (using an API).
Yes, but really, why would anyone care enough to poll if Nick really loves Adalind or if Nick should leave Adalind?
I could only make a guess. Maybe G&K wanted it to be close so the shippers would watch?
(04-14-2017, 04:18 PM)MarylikesGrimm Wrote: [ -> ] (04-14-2017, 04:13 PM)irukandji Wrote: [ -> ] (04-14-2017, 04:02 PM)MarylikesGrimm Wrote: [ -> ] (04-14-2017, 03:54 PM)FaceInTheCrowd Wrote: [ -> ]Nobody who's running the show is reading any of those essays.
G&K read the essays that they asked for from Yohoo.
(04-14-2017, 03:54 PM)FaceInTheCrowd Wrote: [ -> ]A web poll that anyone can answer is a promotion, and the results go nowhere except that page that comes up when you vote or click on "view results."
At Oppenheimerfunds and PCH, we ran these polls using the data exactly as I explained it. The data can be merged behind the scenes with other sources using reporting tools and Python (using an API).
Yes, but really, why would anyone care enough to poll if Nick really loves Adalind or if Nick should leave Adalind?
I could only make a guess. Maybe G&K wanted it to be close so the shippers would watch?
That's what I mean. Anyone can guess what the reason is behind the poll but if G&K don't tell us, you're guess that they're polling shippers is as good as my guess that they did it for laughs.
It's done for the same reason as any other promo. To keep the product in your head. In this case, by creating an illusion that there is still a chance you'll influence the outcome.
And if there's documentation in place to establish that the scripts have already been written before the poll and there's no potential for someone to claim theft of ideas, they might read them for laughs.