(01-14-2018, 10:04 PM)FaceInTheCrowd Wrote: [ -> ]We don't have any information about how Kelly and Marie lived before Nick was born. Once Kelly became the guardian of the Coins of Zakynthos and a mother, she appeared to be hiding out in the guise of a suburban softball mom, and we know that Marie walked away from the grimm life to become a librarian and raise Nick. Kelly becoming a mercenary once she went on the run makes perfect sense; those knights errant of old took payment for their deeds as well.
Actually we do. We know they were grimms before Nick was born and before she met her husband. Nick's grandfather took Kelly and Marie out on hunts. We also know Monroe is familiar with Marie's bloody past as a grimm because she beheaded his great-grandmother.
(01-14-2018, 10:54 PM)syscrash Wrote: [ -> ]Why that does not make since is because being a Grimm is not a choose. It is an obligation you are born with. Even Rolex who admitted he could not do what Nick does. Realized being a Grimm he had certain obligations.
Just what "obligations" are you speaking of? Marie had different "obligations" than her sister, Kelly. Nick had different "obligations" than both of them. Trubel went an even different path and so her "obligations" differed even further. It seems to me the only "obligations" these grimms have are those that they wish to put upon themselves.
Yes, but what we don't know was whether they were acting as mercenaries or just as vigilantes. We do know that at that time there had to be some sort of networking going on, because Kelly become the guardian of the coins, and she told Nick that she was chosen for the task, not that she took the coins herself.
The show stated the book records the Grimm linage. That is different then recording the family tree. If you notice the book recorded Kelly under the family name kessler not Burkhart. Even Nick was entered under the family name Kessler. This folllows the pattern as Sean's family line. Even though Sean and the King are renards. They are both of the House of Kronenberg.
Quote:Just what "obligations" are you speaking of? Marie had different "obligations" than her sister, Kelly. Nick had different "obligations" than both of them. Trubel went an even different path and so her "obligations" differed even further. It seems to me the only "obligations" these grimms have are those that they wish to put upon themselves.
Grimm have only one obligation. That obligation is to pass on the Grimm linage. There is history on how grimm did their job. But there is no rule on how Grimms do their job. As Nick read the books about the different encounters. Some Grimms did lots of research to try and understand the what and why wesen did what they did. Others only wanted to know how to kill the wesen they encountered.
The only common factor gathered from all the stories, is a Grimm's responsibility is to protect kersites from wesen. How they did that was up to each Grimm. The concept of them being a decapitator was a reputation not and obligation. The only other thing was to make sure the knowledge was passed from one generation to the other. But there is no Grimm culture that they are obligated to uphold.
Unlike we saw in blutbods like Monroes dad. They felt there was a culture that they where obligated to maintain as part of who they are.
(01-14-2018, 11:18 PM)syscrash Wrote: [ -> ]Grimm have only one obligation. That obligation is to pass on the Grimm linage.
Using this statement, then Marie failed, correct?
(01-14-2018, 11:18 PM)syscrash Wrote: [ -> ]The only common factor gathered from all the stories, is a Grimm's responsibility is to protect kersites from wesen.
I am curious. Who exactly are grimms to decide that they must be the ones to protect the normal humans from wesen?
it's a duty like a policeman's.
I do not see that Monroe said that Marie killed her grandmother.
He said that she ended up dead without her head, like for a lamp for the
"GRIMM", not Marie.
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Grimm have only one obligation. That obligation is to pass on the Grimm linage.
Using this statement, then Marie failed, correct?
Mari filled her obligation. She passed on the book, weapons, and the key. The same as Rolex. I think you are thinking of her not instructing Nick in Grimm culture. From what I have seen they do not have a culture. They have a reputation but not a culture.
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The only common factor gathered from all the stories, is a Grimm's responsibility is to protect kersites from wesen.
I am curious. Who exactly are grimms to decide that they must be the ones to protect the normal humans from wesen?
They are the only humans that can see wesen. You can not fight what you can not see. But just like Rolex they are not obligated to fight wesen, but having the ability they do. That question would be the same as asking why do any of the marvel or DC characters decide that they must protect humans.
No book says that a "GRIMM" must live alone, without family. Marie and Kelly said for fear.
(01-16-2018, 05:44 AM)irukandji Wrote: [ -> ] (01-14-2018, 11:18 PM)syscrash Wrote: [ -> ]Grimm have only one obligation. That obligation is to pass on the Grimm linage.
Using this statement, then Marie failed, correct?
(01-14-2018, 11:18 PM)syscrash Wrote: [ -> ]The only common factor gathered from all the stories, is a Grimm's responsibility is to protect kersites from wesen.
I am curious. Who exactly are grimms to decide that they must be the ones to protect the normal humans from wesen?
Let's say you live in a village where everyone is blind but you. You see a rabid dog, and you have a chance to shoot it. You are not the dog catcher, and there is no time to alert anyone. Do you protect the village? After all, who gave you the right to decide that dog should die? If your neighbors find the dog, they could never know anything was wrong with it, because no one could see it was rabid. It may even been someone's beloved pet. Shame on you? I think not. However, if you tell everyone the truth, they might kill all the other dogs(and cats) in the village.
(01-16-2018, 06:38 AM)syscrash Wrote: [ -> ]They are the only humans that can see wesen. You can not fight what you can not see. But just like Rolex they are not obligated to fight wesen, but having the ability they do. That question would be the same as asking why do any of the marvel or DC characters decide that they must protect humans.
Right. But let's get back to grimms. They are intruding where they were not invited.
Don't know if we can really say that all grimms are running around trying to protect people or hunting random wesen. Nick certainly had that protection thing, but as a cop he already had that mindset he grimmed up, and Trubel probably picked it up from him. Kelly was pursuing the wesen she believed had killed her husband and friend and was apparently taking missions on as a mercenary, which was how she ended up bringing Adalind back to Portland. Marie had apparently chucked the whole grimm thing over to raise Nick after Kelly went on the run. And the grimm books make it pretty clear that the grimms of old were mostly being called in by someone to hunt wesen, usually minor nobles not of the big seven royal families. So they were mercenaries as well.
It's possible that outside of the few grimms we actually met, most modern grimms aren't doing anything more than wearing sunglasses a lot and killing any wesen who figure out they're grimms and try to attack them the way Trubel did before she met Nick. At least until HW throws bags over their heads and recruits them.