Hello Forum,
There has been some lively discussion about the fight scene where Nick kills Kenneth. Here is a video, complete with Spanish subtitles:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lM4tB3iOdfs
The video is 2:04 in length. At 1:26 Kenneth has pushed Nick to the floor, he picks up a metal pipe and attacks Nick. Nick disarms Kenneth, then produces the Grimm blade, tells him "for my Mother" and slits his throat.
1. As pointed out previously, the fight was hand to hand until Kenneth attacked with the pipe. So up to that point (IMO) the fight was
totally fair.
2. Some have said Nick took an unfair advantage by bringing the Grimm blade. So in an even match of combatants if one is armed with a two foot pipe and the other with a six inch blade who has the advantage?
3. After Kelly came in the house, Kenneth burst in with "several" Verrat agents. The actual ambush, murder and decapitation was not shown. However, IMO Kelly fighting Kenneth and several Verrat agents would not be "fair."
4. IMO when Kenneth murdered Kelly it became incumbent that Nick set aside his cop shackles, Grimm up and avenge his Mother's death. It would seem that Nick and Wu agreed and helped arrange the one on one face off.
Nick has made plenty of mistakes. Some have been costly. He is not perfect. However, IMO and in the fantasy world of Grimm for Nick to not avenge his Mother's death would have been an act of cowardice. To deny him the right to avenge her would be to deny the basic premise:
Quote: "There once was a man who lived a life so strange, it had to be true. Only he could see what no one else can—the darkness inside...the real monster within...and he's the one who must stop them. This is his calling. This is his duty. This is the life of a Grimm."
New Guy
Here is one thing we can be sure about Nick he will lose Adalind at the least, but also Kelly. Nicks entire story line is about lose. The price of being a Grimm. Ever Season it is always the one closet to him. With Adalind now leaving It is jest setting up for the lost. Where they are going with Eve. Where Adalind does thing to make herself a victim. Juliette has always had her efforts make her the victim. After becoming a hexenbiest. Hexenette started making herself a victim. Now you have Eve who is nobodies victim. Though her perspective has changed, she has always had a tragic ending. Coma, Nick a Zombie, Adlind sleeping with Nick, then being shot after becoming a hexenbiest. Eve has now been running around playing super spy. She is not being victimized, tormented, or sent on an emotional roller coaster. All things from previous seasons. The question do they stick to the tragic out come. or do they break the pattern. If they break it for Eve will they break it for Nick. Will this be the one time he does suffer loss. Will he actually win this time. If that is true might they even let Adalind win and not be a victim. Is that what the writers meant by a new show. I am sure there would be a lot of fans that would cheer a happy ending. Considering none of the cast has even eluded to a dark ending, only it is an exciting ending. Completely changing the predicted outcome may be what is coming.
(05-03-2016, 06:11 PM)New Guy Wrote: [ -> ]Nick has made plenty of mistakes. Some have been costly. He is not perfect. However, IMO and in the fantasy world of Grimm for Nick to not avenge his Mother's death would have been an act of cowardice. To deny him the right to avenge her would be to deny the basic premise:
"There once was a man who lived a life so strange, it had to be true. Only he could see what no one else can—the darkness inside...the real monster within...and he's the one who must stop them. This is his calling. This is his duty. This is the life of a Grimm."
I agree totally, with one caveat: Nick resigns from the police force and concentrates on being a Grimm. He can't be true to his Grimm legacy if he's a cop and he can't uphold the law, as seen on the television show, if he's a Grimm.
(05-03-2016, 07:19 PM)irukandji Wrote: [ -> ] (05-03-2016, 06:11 PM)New Guy Wrote: [ -> ]Nick has made plenty of mistakes. Some have been costly. He is not perfect. However, IMO and in the fantasy world of Grimm for Nick to not avenge his Mother's death would have been an act of cowardice. To deny him the right to avenge her would be to deny the basic premise:
"There once was a man who lived a life so strange, it had to be true. Only he could see what no one else can—the darkness inside...the real monster within...and he's the one who must stop them. This is his calling. This is his duty. This is the life of a Grimm."
I agree totally, with one caveat: Nick resigns from the police force and concentrates on being a Grimm. He can't be true to his Grimm legacy if he's a cop and he can't uphold the law, as seen on the television show, if he's a Grimm.
like his mother ok you are right but how will he eat; his mother worked for the resistance, should he also work for BC, HW or maybe the resistance.
(05-03-2016, 08:33 PM)degrimm Wrote: [ -> ]like his mother ok you are right but how will he eat; his mother worked for the resistance, should he also work for BC, HW or maybe the resistance.
Why not a private detective?
(05-03-2016, 08:40 PM)irukandji Wrote: [ -> ] (05-03-2016, 08:33 PM)degrimm Wrote: [ -> ]like his mother ok you are right but how will he eat; his mother worked for the resistance, should he also work for BC, HW or maybe the resistance.
Why not a private detective?
well i only feel sympathy for hank bcos he would fail as a homicide detective if nick quits his job.
(05-03-2016, 08:53 PM)degrimm Wrote: [ -> ]well i only feel sympathy for hank bcos he would fail as a homicide detective if nick quits his job.
With Nick as his partner, he's failing as a homicide detective now, degrimm. It would be good for Hank to get away from Nick. There's really no reason why Hank still can't be part of the show. There is speculation that he would become the captain. In real life, it's a given he would not make captain. Within the realms of this fantasy television show, why not?
I'd kind of like to see Nick change gears and go out on his own. That would be a real interesting cliffhanger for this season.
(05-03-2016, 06:11 PM)New Guy Wrote: [ -> ]Hello Forum,
There has been some lively discussion about the fight scene where Nick kills Kenneth. Here is a video, complete with Spanish subtitles:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lM4tB3iOdfs
The video is 2:04 in length. At 1:26 Kenneth has pushed Nick to the floor, he picks up a metal pipe and attacks Nick. Nick disarms Kenneth, then produces the Grimm blade, tells him "for my Mother" and slits his throat.
1. As pointed out previously, the fight was hand to hand until Kenneth attacked with the pipe. So up to that point (IMO) the fight was totally fair.
2. Some have said Nick took an unfair advantage by bringing the Grimm blade. So in an even match of combatants if one is armed with a two foot pipe and the other with a six inch blade who has the advantage?
New Guy, what you are missing is this.
One, Nick had Wu deliver Kenneth to him. Kenneth had no idea he was going to fight Nick. And, drum roll, Kenneth was patted down by Wu to INSURE he had no weapon. Nick came to that fight with a concealed weapon 100% sure Kenneth would be unarmed. Kenneth stumbled across a weapon that was in the warehouse and used it. Think about that, it is a huge difference. For one Nick committed premeditated murder. If Kenneth had killed Nick with the pipe he may have had a fairly good self-defense claim...once the weapon was discovered he would have had an excellent self defense claim (in most States,each one is different). Wu is in line for the charge of conspiracy to commit murder
The key point being Nick knew Kenneth would be unarmed going in and chose to come armed and used a concealed weapon. the fact the weapon of choice was concealed is a big deal.
(05-03-2016, 09:35 PM)izzy Wrote: [ -> ]One, Nick had Wu deliver Kenneth to him. Kenneth had no idea he was going to fight Nick. And, drum roll, Kenneth was patted down by Wu to INSURE he had no weapon. Nick came to that fight with a concealed weapon 100% sure Kenneth would be unarmed. Kenneth stumbled across a weapon that was in the warehouse and used it.
No, so. Kenneth went into it thinking he had the advantage. He surrendered to the police, expecting Renard to have him transported to a place where he'd fight the Grimm. I thought Wu's pat down so cursory it wouldn't have found anything other than a gun.
Kenneth took the call from his men telling him Nick had escaped the ambush. I did wonder why he had a smile on his face. His men must have told him that Nick howled in anguish at the sight of his mother's head. Kenneth expected Nick to be emotional and therefore easier to kill. Kenneth also expected there would be something he could pick up to use as a weapon. That expectation was met.
Until Nick used his concealed weapon,Kenneth had no idea Nick had a weapon. Kenneth did not expect Nick to be armed. Renard then slipped the knife he'd used in the 'ripper' murders into the now deceased Kenneth's pocket. There are few more charges various officers could be arrested for.
Kenneth knew only one of them would be coming out of the fight alive and he expected that someone to be him. Kenneth thought he had the advantage.
(05-04-2016, 12:21 AM)tscchope Wrote: [ -> ] (05-03-2016, 09:35 PM)izzy Wrote: [ -> ]One, Nick had Wu deliver Kenneth to him. Kenneth had no idea he was going to fight Nick. And, drum roll, Kenneth was patted down by Wu to INSURE he had no weapon. Nick came to that fight with a concealed weapon 100% sure Kenneth would be unarmed. Kenneth stumbled across a weapon that was in the warehouse and used it.
No, so. Kenneth went into it thinking he had the advantage. He surrendered to the police, expecting Renard to have him transported to a place where he'd fight the Grimm. I thought Wu's pat down so cursory it wouldn't have found anything other than a gun.
Kenneth took the call from his men telling him Nick had escaped the ambush. I did wonder why he had a smile on his face. His men must have told him that Nick howled in anguish at the sight of his mother's head. Kenneth expected Nick to be emotional and therefore easier to kill. Kenneth also expected there would be something he could pick up to use as a weapon. That expectation was met.
Until Nick used his concealed weapon,Kenneth had no idea Nick had a weapon. Kenneth did not expect Nick to be armed. Renard then slipped the knife he'd used in the 'ripper' murders into the now deceased Kenneth's pocket. There are few more charges various officers could be arrested for.
Kenneth knew only one of them would be coming out of the fight alive and he expected that someone to be him. Kenneth thought he had the advantage.
Hi Tscchope,
Thanks for your comments. Indeed Kenneth planned (premeditated) the murder of Kelly Burkhardt and ambushed her with heavily armed Verrat thugs then decapitated her. Kelly was decapitated, so IMO one of them brought a knife. Was Kenneth's ambush "fair?" When Nick arranges a one on one face off he becomes the bad guy?!?! Balderdash!!
New Guy