01-11-2016, 07:24 AM
(01-11-2016, 05:59 AM)irukandji Wrote: [ -> ]Adriano, I only wrote out this theory because you asked me to. I don't consider this theory about Elizabeth to be correct for a couple of reasons. First, there is no evidence of a connection between Elizabeth and the HW. There isn't even evidence of a connection between Elizabeth and the resistance. I used that speculation based on posts I've read from others.
Second, there's still that nit about Nick and his Grimm powers. If Elizabeth helped him get them back, why didn't she report that to the HW? Instead she reports Juliette?
I can't use the theory that just because it isn't hinted at doesn't mean it's impossible. If I could I would still be arguing for my original choice for betrayal, which was Rosalee. To me, Rosalee still makes the most sense. She had motive, she's seen what Juliette can do firsthand, she's even participated in making the spell turned Juliette into a hexenbiest. You guys shot that one down using the theory of the impossible. You said Rosalee didn't know about the HW. How could she betray Juliette to an organization she knew nothing about?
How do we know this? Because no one ever contacted her from the HW. There's not even a hint that she might be involved with the HW.
I am using that same logic about Henrietta. Henrietta didn't know about the HW because no one ever contacted her about it. There's not even a hint that she knew about it. She can't betray Juliette to an organization she knows nothing about. It's impossible within the realm of this television show.
You have a good point about Henrietta and Rosalee and the HW. But there's a situation working against Rosalee in this one.
Rosalee knew Nick before he lost his powers. So if she was working with the HW, Chavez would knew about Nick since almost ever...
Henrietta on the other side of the coin, knew Nick personally just after he recover his powers. This would explain why Chavez didn't know about Nick in the first test.
A possible explanation for Rosalee is that she is not working for the HW directly. For example, the HW may have looked for Rosalee asking information about Juliette and them Rosalee gave those Information because she was angry with Juliette. But for this to work, the HW was supposed to know about Juliette prior to asking Rosalee so they would have reasons to ask. This raises the question : what was the first source of information the HW had about Juliette?
If Rosalee was to be the one who betrayed Juliette, I think the easiest way to explain is through the council. There isn't even a need for explaining why since Rosalee has the obligation to inform the council any wesen law violation and Juliette did some.
I think three ways to connect the council to the HW.
1. HW has an inside agent in the council who took Juliette's information and reported to the HW.
2. The council works mainly with mercenaries to do the killing of the wesen who goes against the wesen law. The council can have hired a mercenary that for coincidence also worked as informer for the HW.
3. As the council works with mercenaries, maybe they have some kind of agreement with the HW for exchanging information. Even the HW being a highly secret organization, they have some common objectives with the council.
I will write another post about our theories I'm general.
Irukandji,
When I say about a theory that it's difficult to be true, I will never day it is impossible because the writers can do what ever they want.
My point will always be that theories are just theories until the writers gave the final answer.
I don't measure a theory by right or wrong. Actually I think the best way is it is easy to explain or hard to explain.
For example : if the writers wanted to say that Rosalee betrayed Juliette to the HW, they can. But if the writers want to make a good job they would have to answer most part of the questions we raised here like: how Rosalee knew about the HW, why she didn't informed about Nick prior the first test, and so on.
Another example : if Henrietta was working with the HW, why apparently Chavez didn't know about Nick, why the HW didn't try to found out who killed Henrietta (you didn't think about this one, did you?)... If Henrietta was working for the HW, she could have being killed by the BC... and so on.
The point theories in the end is: which one of all theories we came up with is the easiest one to explain? Which one has less questions to be answered?
All of them can work... Some will simply be easiest to explain.
That's why I wanted to hear about your theory about Elizabeth. Even if I think one theory is hard to be true, the writers can choose it. And even if the writers didn't choose a specific theory, while debating this we can raise new questions that help with the others.
You make a very good point in the Elizabeth theory : the HW should have needed a powerful hexanbiest to teach/change Juliette into Eve. Was this Elizabeth? Or maybe is Meisner a zauberbiest? If Meisner is a zauberbiest, think about how many new theories can be made.
I have to confess one thing. I gave up watching grimm because of the writers. I wasn't supposed to be watching it anymore. But... I think this forum is funny... I like to be here thinking about crazy conspiracy plots... So I am only watching grimm yet because I need to know what is going on... So I can have opinions to write here.
Thank you for this thread. It is being funny to think about who betrayed Juliette and what questions will never be answered by the writers...
