Was the Nick/Juliette break-up & the Nick/Adalind mate-up planned from the start?

[jsgrimm45]

Haha, HoG, she was proposed to ONCE on the show, and suddenly she's rejected many proposals? LoL.

I think this goes to show how our emotions can warp our judgment - something to pay attention to.

I guess you missed the scene before Rosalee and Monroe's wedding when they both looked at the open drawer with the engagement ring. They both looked at each other and Juliette made a comment about, one wedding at a time. I call that another rejection. Not to mention the other time she opened that draw and looked at it. If she had taken it and went to Nick with it. Do you think he would have said no? In a sense, that another rejection.

It might be a tradition for a man to propose, but it is not a rule. Nick did propose, she rejected it because she claimed he kept secrets. Well, before she became a Hex, there were no more secrets. She was in-the-know. In with the gang. The ball was in her court. Nick was a Grimm, not a mind reader. If she wanted to marry him, it was up to her to bring it up, if she wanted to, if she was ready.

She still tried to accuse him of infidelity when she looked at his emails about his medical tests results an saw his email from his mom signed "Love M". She questioned his infidelity a few other times. You know what they say when one partner is constantly questioning the other about being disloyal? It is usually due to their own betrayal. She knew what his answer would be. Obviously, she did not wish to marry him. Obviously in the end, we see whom betrayed whom.

You know I also wonder about the trust factor. We never seen Nick not trust Juliette but we seen many trust questions with Juliette. The one that might be the most interesting and telling is the Adalind cat leading to the memory lost, when Nick tries to tell her Adalind is a witch.

[irukandji]

You know I also wonder about the trust factor. We never seen Nick not trust Juliette but we seen many trust questions with Juliette. The one that might be the most interesting and telling is the Adalind cat leading to the memory lost, when Nick tries to tell her Adalind is a witch.

I think this is more than a little unfair to Juliette. We know from the series that Nick was keeping things from her. As we all know in relationships, if trust goes, it's very hard to replace. He's the one who broke her trust, not the other way around. And if Juliette is really the woman Nick truly desired as his wife, he would have walked through fire for her. Which of course, we know he did not do.

[dicappatore]

Haha, HoG, she was proposed to ONCE on the show, and suddenly she's rejected many proposals? LoL.

I think this goes to show how our emotions can warp our judgment - something to pay attention to.

I guess you missed the scene before Rosalee and Monroe's wedding when they both looked at the open drawer with the engagement ring. They both looked at each other and Juliette made a comment about, one wedding at a time. I call that another rejection. Not to mention the other time she opened that draw and looked at it. If she had taken it and went to Nick with it. Do you think he would have said no? In a sense, that another rejection.

It might be a tradition for a man to propose, but it is not a rule. Nick did propose, she rejected it because she claimed he kept secrets. Well, before she became a Hex, there were no more secrets. She was in-the-know. In with the gang. The ball was in her court. Nick was a Grimm, not a mind reader. If she wanted to marry him, it was up to her to bring it up, if she wanted to, if she was ready.

She still tried to accuse him of infidelity when she looked at his emails about his medical tests results an saw his email from his mom signed "Love M". She questioned his infidelity a few other times. You know what they say when one partner is constantly questioning the other about being disloyal? It is usually due to their own betrayal. She knew what his answer would be. Obviously, she did not wish to marry him. Obviously in the end, we see whom betrayed whom.

You know I also wonder about the trust factor. We never seen Nick not trust Juliette but we seen many trust questions with Juliette. The one that might be the most interesting and telling is the Adalind cat leading to the memory lost, when Nick tries to tell her Adalind is a witch.

I have brought that "trust issue" up a few times. The cat/Adalind issue was one, for me, the biggie, was when she was becoming a Hex. After we see what Nick was put through, resulting from the after effects of cured coma by the Renard "kiss" and what followed, showed how much "trust", had in her reactions with their obsession for each other.

Jump to after she was brought back into the fold and became very acceptance and participant with the gang. Juliette and Nick made a pact of no more secrets . A sort of new beginning. A reaffirmation of their relationship with a "No More Secrets" with each other accordance. No holding back on any secrets/issues between them.

What happens when she starts to, first thinking she was pregnant, then realize, she is turning into a Hexenbiest. One would think that would be a major trust issue on her part, of either one of those alterations by keeping them from Nick. What does she do first? She runs to Renard. Well, so much about keeping secrets from each other.

After what she knew about Sean/Adalind and what took place after her comma, he should have been the last one to confide with. Then she seeks out a total stranger, Henrietta. She even exposes her secret, not by choice, to Adalind when she attacks her at the house, before she finally confides with Nick.

Talk about trust issues? When Nick was keeping secrets from her, she was in the dark about the whole Wesen world, which made it difficult to expose her to it, as we all saw her reaction, just before she went into the coma.

As she is becoming a Hex, one hurdle she is not facing that Nick had to deal with was the fact that Nick is well aware, as a Grimm, of Wesen, Hexenbiests and the rest of that world. It's not like, she has to convince him first, about the existence of a Hex, like he had to as a Grimm.

IMO, her miss-trust of Nick, was way past the the "I wonder about the trust factor" She was in "Full Blown" lack of trust in him before and after she became a Hex.

[brandon]

It was Juliette who did not trust in Nick.
There are secrets that could not said:
1) The kiss of Ariel
2) The alleged relationship of aunt Marie with a "Wesen".

[eric]

I do not see her reluctance to tell Nick about her hex change as a lack of trust so much as an abundance of history. She asked him something along the line about Adeline not being a hex, he said "whats wrong with one less hex". Her dream about beheading was spot on, based on his history. When she did woge in front of him, he drew his gun, went into shock, then left for the night. Her look said "well, that relationship sure is down the drain". He comes back the next day, says lets work this out, maybe there is a cure(she needs to be "cured"-her new condition can maybe be changed, he sees her as diseased, she woges again and he turns away and looks totally disgusted with her, even he had seen several hexs woge and he didn't have trouble looking at them. Can't say I blame him, a real shocker, but how's a girl supposed to take all that?

[dicappatore]

I do not see her reluctance to tell Nick about her hex change as a lack of trust so much as an abundance of history. She asked him something along the line about Adeline not being a hex, he said "whats wrong with one less hex". Her dream about beheading was spot on, based on his history. When she did woge in front of him, he drew his gun, went into shock, then left for the night. Her look said "well, that relationship sure is down the drain". He comes back the next day, says lets work this out, maybe there is a cure(she needs to be "cured"-her new condition can maybe be changed, he sees her as diseased, she woges again and he turns away and looks totally disgusted with her, even he had seen several hexs woge and he didn't have trouble looking at them. Can't say I blame him, a real shocker, but how's a girl supposed to take all that?

But eric, she was rejecting her condition for weeks before she disclosed of her situation to Nick. My question to you is, did she go to Renard to express her jubilation of becoming a hex? or to find a cure/reversal. Did she go to Henrietta to get books to study her new found powers or was it to cure/reverse her condition?

Some how, it was fine for her to reject what she was becoming for weeks in advance. Yet, you and a few, and I have to stress, "A Few", others expected for Nick to brush it off as just another evening with someone breaking in the house. What did you expect Nick to reply to her, after divulging she is now a Hex by "oh really? Ok, whats for dinner?

How come you can accept her own rejection of becoming a Hex for weeks, yet expect for Nick to accept her instantly. OK, so it took him a day and a night to accept her. Then, somehow, Nick suggesting to look for a cure equated to rejection, for doing the exact same thing she was trying to do for weeks. Just one more examples of Nick being treated unfairly for the situation.

Then to accuse Nick and company of rejecting her from the start, as a monster, is another opinion made into a facts. She knew how resourceful they were as a unit. She was involved in many situations with them in resolving what seemed to be unsolvable. Did she seek their advice? NOPE! She never did, but did hold Nick accountable for trying.

The gang never turned against her from the start. They turned against her after she rejected Nick and any attempts to help her and devious actions against them. They were reacting to her demise as Juliette and her welcoming reaction to becoming a Hex.

They were "Reactive", not "Pro-Active". Nick tried to be pro-active. It resulted of her walking out on him. Just one more fact turned into, Nick walking out on her!

If there is anyone to blame for Nick and Co. to look at her and treat her like a monster, it would be Juliette, after she became one.

[irukandji]

I do not see her reluctance to tell Nick about her hex change as a lack of trust so much as an abundance of history. She asked him something along the line about Adeline not being a hex, he said "whats wrong with one less hex". Her dream about beheading was spot on, based on his history. When she did woge in front of him, he drew his gun, went into shock, then left for the night. Her look said "well, that relationship sure is down the drain". He comes back the next day, says lets work this out, maybe there is a cure(she needs to be "cured"-her new condition can maybe be changed, he sees her as diseased, she woges again and he turns away and looks totally disgusted with her, even he had seen several hexs woge and he didn't have trouble looking at them. Can't say I blame him, a real shocker, but how's a girl supposed to take all that?

Thanks for this post, eric.

[eric]

I do not see her reluctance to tell Nick about her hex change as a lack of trust so much as an abundance of history. She asked him something along the line about Adeline not being a hex, he said "whats wrong with one less hex". Her dream about beheading was spot on, based on his history. When she did woge in front of him, he drew his gun, went into shock, then left for the night. Her look said "well, that relationship sure is down the drain". He comes back the next day, says lets work this out, maybe there is a cure(she needs to be "cured"-her new condition can maybe be changed, he sees her as diseased, she woges again and he turns away and looks totally disgusted with her, even he had seen several hexs woge and he didn't have trouble looking at them. Can't say I blame him, a real shocker, but how's a girl supposed to take all that?

But eric, she was rejecting her condition for weeks before she disclosed of her situation to Nick. My question to you is, did she go to Renard to express her jubilation of becoming a hex? or to find a cure/reversal. Did she go to Henrietta to get books to study her new found powers or was it to cure/reverse her condition?

Some how, it was fine for her to reject what she was becoming for weeks in advance. Yet, you and a few, and I have to stress, "A Few", others expected for Nick to brush it off as just another evening with someone breaking in the house. What did you expect Nick to reply to her, after divulging she is now a Hex by "oh really? Ok, whats for dinner?

How come you can accept her own rejection of becoming a Hex for weeks, yet expect for Nick to accept her instantly. OK, so it took him a day and a night to accept her. Then, somehow, Nick suggesting to look for a cure equated to rejection, for doing the exact same thing she was trying to do for weeks. Just one more examples of Nick being treated unfairly for the situation.

Then to accuse Nick and company of rejecting her from the start, as a monster, is another opinion made into a facts. She knew how resourceful they were as a unit. She was involved in many situations with them in resolving what seemed to be unsolvable. Did she seek their advice? NOPE! She never did, but did hold Nick accountable for trying.

The gang never turned against her from the start. They turned against her after she rejected Nick and any attempts to help her and devious actions against them. They were reacting to her demise as Juliette and her welcoming reaction to becoming a Hex.

They were "Reactive", not "Pro-Active". Nick tried to be pro-active. It resulted of her walking out on him. Just one more fact turned into, Nick walking out on her!

If there is anyone to blame for Nick and Co. to look at her and treat her like a monster, it would be Juliette, after she became one.

A long and wonderful marriage has taught me that if something really big and bad happens(and it has several times in real life) and you decide to leave in a huff and stay gone for any length of time, things go south from there. I have always said that I would have slumped down on the couch and tried to start to begin to try to talk it out, not look disgusted and walk out and spend the night somewhere else. Nick was not the only detective in Portland. If I get a call from work saying they need me to come in and I have more important problems at home, I tell them I'm sick or have taken a little trip and can't come in--hope my boss is not on this forum. If you discover you have a dread disease you may not mention it to your better half until you meet with a specialist, when that doesn't work you fest up and hope for some understanding. I never understood how Nick could come home, find a body on the floor and accept "he tripped" and just dump the body, no questions asked. Neither one of them was blameless for what happened, neither of them handled it we all would have with our perfect 20/20 hindsight.

[jsgrimm45]

I do not see her reluctance to tell Nick about her hex change as a lack of trust so much as an abundance of history. She asked him something along the line about Adeline not being a hex, he said "whats wrong with one less hex". Her dream about beheading was spot on, based on his history. When she did woge in front of him, he drew his gun, went into shock, then left for the night. Her look said "well, that relationship sure is down the drain". He comes back the next day, says lets work this out, maybe there is a cure(she needs to be "cured"-her new condition can maybe be changed, he sees her as diseased, she woges again and he turns away and looks totally disgusted with her, even he had seen several hexs woge and he didn't have trouble looking at them. Can't say I blame him, a real shocker, but how's a girl supposed to take all that?

But eric, she was rejecting her condition for weeks before she disclosed of her situation to Nick. My question to you is, did she go to Renard to express her jubilation of becoming a hex? or to find a cure/reversal. Did she go to Henrietta to get books to study her new found powers or was it to cure/reverse her condition?

Some how, it was fine for her to reject what she was becoming for weeks in advance. Yet, you and a few, and I have to stress, "A Few", others expected for Nick to brush it off as just another evening with someone breaking in the house. What did you expect Nick to reply to her, after divulging she is now a Hex by "oh really? Ok, whats for dinner?

How come you can accept her own rejection of becoming a Hex for weeks, yet expect for Nick to accept her instantly. OK, so it took him a day and a night to accept her. Then, somehow, Nick suggesting to look for a cure equated to rejection, for doing the exact same thing she was trying to do for weeks. Just one more examples of Nick being treated unfairly for the situation.

Then to accuse Nick and company of rejecting her from the start, as a monster, is another opinion made into a facts. She knew how resourceful they were as a unit. She was involved in many situations with them in resolving what seemed to be unsolvable. Did she seek their advice? NOPE! She never did, but did hold Nick accountable for trying.

The gang never turned against her from the start. They turned against her after she rejected Nick and any attempts to help her and devious actions against them. They were reacting to her demise as Juliette and her welcoming reaction to becoming a Hex.

They were "Reactive", not "Pro-Active". Nick tried to be pro-active. It resulted of her walking out on him. Just one more fact turned into, Nick walking out on her!

If there is anyone to blame for Nick and Co. to look at her and treat her like a monster, it would be Juliette, after she became one.

A long and wonderful marriage has taught me that if something really big and bad happens(and it has several times in real life) and you decide to leave in a huff and stay gone for any length of time, things go south from there. I have always said that I would have slumped down on the couch and tried to start to begin to try to talk it out, not look disgusted and walk out and spend the night somewhere else. Nick was not the only detective in Portland. If I get a call from work saying they need me to come in and I have more important problems at home, I tell them I'm sick or have taken a little trip and can't come in--hope my boss is not on this forum. If you discover you have a dread disease you may not mention it to your better half until you meet with a specialist, when that doesn't work you fest up and hope for some understanding. I never understood how Nick could come home, find a body on the floor and accept "he tripped" and just dump the body, no questions asked. Neither one of them was blameless for what happened, neither of them handled it we all would have with our perfect 20/20 hindsight.

Just to add a maybe to the debate on Nick leaving the night Juliette told him. Could he have had more of a problem with himself than Juliette? He knew this was because of him. So when he left he had two reasons not just one.

[rpmaluki]

When he pulled out his gun, it was because he thought she was Adalind. From the beginning Nick was confronted with the knowledge that he "made" her into that hexenbiest. It's not difficult to attribute that his turning aside. He felt guilty. Regardless both Nick and Juliette handled things badly after she turned