06-02-2017, 03:50 PM
The problem isn't how fast or slow Nick and Adalind's relationship developed. It's the fact it happened at all.
06-02-2017, 03:50 PM
The problem isn't how fast or slow Nick and Adalind's relationship developed. It's the fact it happened at all.
(06-02-2017, 09:45 AM)jsgrimm45 Wrote: If this has already been said in one of the pages sorry. Now that the series is over we have 20/20 hindsight. Those are IMO ideas so take them as such. I don't think the writers or anyone ever intended Nick and Juliette to be a couple it was always going to be Nick and Adalind. Now to the why. The fact that Nick sees Adalind at the very beginning of the shows, only takes on a greater, fortuitous meaning, in retrospect. It was never intended to imply anything profound at that time. Initially, Adalind was designed to be a one off character. Only because they liked her so much, did she stick around longer. And it was some time after that, before her significance to the writers would grow. The development of Nadalind, came as much out of the fan base as anywhere else. A convergence of events, merely allowed G&K to explore something which they had been pondering without any clear means of devoting their story capital. With hindsight, a lot of things can make it seem as if this had been in gestation since the beginning, but it's more like happenstance.
06-02-2017, 04:05 PM
good morning Tara lol I think misspelled it, I wanted to write Loona and did wrote Tara - and I needed to laugh over it afterwards xD
Yes, I agree with you Hexenadler - I would give you Kudos but I can't give any more at least for today.
All the way Nickliette for ever
06-02-2017, 04:13 PM
Its okay if Eve redeemed yourself with those acts. But even if Eve felt something for Nick should be put aside and leave Nick with Adalind. As Juliette should have done. Nick would have remained his friend, his support.
06-02-2017, 04:26 PM
(06-02-2017, 04:13 PM)brandon Wrote: But even if Eve felt something for Nick should be put aside and leave Nick with Adalind. Why should Eve put it aside? Adalind was the one who have interrupt a relationship and let her child fathered while Nick was thought he was sleeping with his girlfriend at that time. So, again who should put it aside?
06-02-2017, 04:36 PM
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(06-02-2017, 03:50 PM)Hexenadler Wrote: The problem isn't how fast or slow Nick and Adalind's relationship developed. It's the fact it happened at all.OUAT Zelena had sex with Robin pretending to Robin's wife for weeks while she had really killed Robin's wife. Zelena became pregnant and at first Robin would not leave even though his girlfriend Regina showed up and told him the truth. Polls showed how unpopular the pairing was so they broke them up. After the baby girl, named Robin too, was born in OUAT 508, dad Robin was with Regina (Zelena's sister and Evil Queen) and 13 shows later they killed dad Robin off. Zelena turned "good" and was allowed to raise her baby and then she lost her powers. The same author, Jane Espenson, who came up with the idea of the Spike attempted rape Buffy show wrote many of these Zelena shows. I looked on the OUAT wiki and I did not see anyone noticed any of the parallels. If I missed anything, please tell me. Mary: The actor who played Spike claimed it is was suppose based on true story but the sexes are switched something like a woman in real life tried to force her x-boyfriend to have sex with her. One of the writers was suppose to be involved. I wonder if the author from above, Jane Espenson (who has worked with both G&K) , was the person that tried to force herself on her x-boyfriend? wiki: In the DVD commentary, James Marsters said that filming the scene in which Spike attempts to rape Buffy was one of the hardest he ever had to do. He has since said that he will never do such a scene again. That scene has also generated controversy between fans and the writers,[2] but writer Jane Espenson says that moment was necessary to set up a powerful motivation for Spike's quest to gain a soul.[3] As James Marsters points out, "How do you motivate him [to] make a mistake that’s so heart-rending that he’d be willing to do that?"[4] Marsters would later say in 2012 that he understood the idea to have come from "a female writer, [who] had a situation in her life where she was and her boyfriend were breaking up and she decided if she just made love to him one more time, that they wouldn't break up. She ended up trying to force herself on him and decided to write about that. The thing is, if you flip it and make it a man forcing himself on a woman, I believe it becomes a whole different thing... I'm not really sure it expressed what the author was intending and on that score it was not successful." [5] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seeing_Red...re_Slayer) (06-02-2017, 04:26 PM)Loona Wrote:(06-02-2017, 04:13 PM)brandon Wrote: But even if Eve felt something for Nick should be put aside and leave Nick with Adalind. Eve decided to refocus her life for a purpose like many people do in later seasons. I felt that Juliette could have dump Nick when he was lying to her and gone into the peace corps. Nick was not able to protect Juliette (S1 to S3) instead she had to protect herself (S4-S5). S6 they were able to work together.
Women characters do not have to be having sex with the lead to be important to the story.
06-02-2017, 06:05 PM
Eve saw being a "Hexenbiest" as a way to help, his Purpose, while Juliette did not.
I think Nick thought did not know anything would protect her but that does not all think so. Each one realizes for himself. Quote: MarylikesGrimm Wrote: An argument I have read that's been frequently raised is that Adalind was much better at understanding the wesen world than Juliette ever could be. Why then wouldn't she be better at changing the wesen world rather than yielding to Nick? BTW, I never said I didn't like Juliette and I certainly don't want her to go back to Nick. My issue is with the complete and total annihilation and mutilation of her character. I can't imagine any woman dreaming of being kidnapped by government ops, brutalized and beaten to a pulp, having her name *and* her memories taken from her because she is now someone else to be used as the ultimate weapon of mass destruction. Then when wonderboys G&K can't think of anything else to do with her, they give her memories and turn her into a pathetic weakling with no future and no home, so she writes jibberish in Nick's basement until *Diana* comes to the rescue at the last minute. This, so Adalind can offer aid and comfort. I have yet to read from anyone how they wished Adalind would have been the soldier and Eve the one who remained in the fome.
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06-02-2017, 06:37 PM
06-02-2017, 06:45 PM
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(06-02-2017, 06:26 PM)irukandji Wrote: An argument I have read that's been frequently raised is that Adalind was much better at understanding the wesen world than Juliette ever could be. Why then wouldn't she be better at changing the wesen world rather than yielding to Nick? Mary: Often the outsider like the anthropologist or the researcher from a different culture is the one that can most understand a culture in context and later push for change. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emic_and_etic Wikie: "The emic approach investigates how local people think" (Kottak, 2006): How they perceive and categorize the world, their rules for behavior, what has meaning for them, and how they imagine and explain things. "The etic (scientist-oriented) approach shifts the focus from local observations, categories, explanations, and interpretations to those of the anthropologist. The etic approach realizes that members of a culture often are too involved in what they are doing to interpret their cultures impartially. When using the etic approach, the ethnographer emphasizes what he or she considers important."[2] Although emics and etics are sometimes regarded as inherently in conflict and one can be preferred to the exclusion of the other, the complementarity of emic and etic approaches to anthropological research has been widely recognized, especially in the areas of interest concerning the characteristics of human nature as well as the form and function of human social systems.[3] …Emic knowledge and interpretations are those existing within a culture, that are ‘determined by local custom, meaning, and belief’ (Ager and Loughry, 2004: n.p.) and best described by a 'native' of the culture. Etic knowledge refers to generalizations about human behavior that are considered universally true, and commonly links cultural practices to factors of interest to the researcher, such as economic or ecological conditions, that cultural insiders may not consider very relevant (Morris et al., 1999). (06-02-2017, 06:26 PM)irukandji Wrote: I can't imagine any woman dreaming of being kidnapped by government ops, brutalized and beaten to a pulp, having her name *and* her memories taken from her because she is now someone else to be used as the ultimate weapon of mass destruction. Eve in the show always had all of Juliette's memories. She told Nick that at the table they first "meet". (06-02-2017, 06:26 PM)irukandji Wrote: I have yet to read from anyone how they wished Adalind would have been the soldier and Eve the one who remained in the fome. Adalind was like her mother from the beginning is not being a physical hexenbiest and Adalind was less interested in reading about spells and like than her mother. Juliette the human was taller, smarter, stronger and more proactive than most woman and enjoy doing research from the start of Grimm. I would never punish Eve by keeping her in the fome to raise Kelly and Diana. Eve has shown no interest in even a play date with either child and for good reason. Eve has read more books on being a hexenbiest than Adalind as well as being much much stronger both physically and magically as a hexenbiest than Adalind . (06-02-2017, 06:37 PM)Juliette Wrote:(06-02-2017, 06:26 PM)irukandji Wrote: I have yet to read from anyone how they wished Adalind would have been the soldier and Eve the one who remained in the fome. Both times Adalind tried to fight in the show she made a fool out of herself. 1) Fighting with Nick in season 1. 2) Fighting with Juliette in season 4.
Women characters do not have to be having sex with the lead to be important to the story.
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