(03-01-2016, 10:22 AM)Hexenadler Wrote:(03-01-2016, 09:45 AM)speakeasy Wrote: On strictly moral ground, you're right, but this isn't a philosophical exercise. I'm asking you who is the aggressor in this case, Hexenadler? My answer is Black Claw and they have initiated hostilities; they are in fact, an army on a march of invasion, imo.
How do we know that for sure? We don't know anything besides what the writers (and HW) have already told us. I'm not saying BC are the real good guys in all this (they are VERY clearly not), but any organization that's willing to strike deals with the Royals, break into someone's home and chloroform them on the spot, and brainwash a highly powered Hexenbiest into an emotionless automaton for their cause "because they had to," sets off a red alert inside my brain.
The Nazis obviously initiated hostilities, but does that justify the internment of over 127,000 Japanese-American citizens during WWII?
Well, we do know about the Wesen Naught episode in which the BC attacks shops at midnight and kills some wesen, using coersion and terror tactics to force others to their cause. There was the successful operation to take out Rankin, who Trubel said was a top-level BC organizer. Billy Trump and Dallas Cruz, as well as some others, have been identified as agents of the BC. So that Black Claw is a real and present danger I have accepted as a given. Trubel has filled Nick in on the activities and mandate of Hadrian's Wall. Nick has seen for himself how Trubel and the others live and operate from the HW war room.
In regard to the methods used by HW to get what they want being a troubling moral dilemma, I can only respond for myself. If I were in the position of having to make difficult decisions that would affect the success of my side and something I believed in, I'd do what I had to in order to win. I would have to carry the burden of making decisions that would harm, kill, or adversely affect the lives of others for the rest of my days, but I would still go ahead. But, only after carefully assessing the situation and coming to the realization that this was what must be done.
Yes, the interment of our Japanese citizens during WWII was wrong. For some of us, I'm talking about our leaders now, I believe it is an act of courage to give orders that they know means the annihilation of many people. President Truman gave the order to drop the atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. But only after his advisers had presented him with documented proof that in accordance with their cultural and national beliefs, all Japanese citizens, not only the military, must willingly sacrifice their lives and the lives of their children before surrendering to the Allies. It was already happening by the thousands, and we were well aware that an invasion of that country would result in the loss of many, many thousands of Allied troops. What a horrible decision to have to make. But I think it was the right one under those impossible circumstances. His other choice would have been to say no on moral grounds. That would have led to a prolongation of the war and the predictable loss of so many American and Allied lives - and to the sacrificial loss of just as many Japanese lives as were lost in the bombings, imo. People of good conscience will always mourn the necessity of making these terrible decisions; that's what gives me hope for the future.
"The only thing that will redeem mankind is cooperation." Bertrand Russell - printed on a beer mat in "Shaun of The Dead".