03-20-2017, 07:09 AM
(03-20-2017, 06:31 AM)Grimmbiest11 Wrote:(03-20-2017, 06:28 AM)New Guy Wrote:Lol your post is funny. I can only assume they meant spiritual death, I notice you didn't touch on that one.(03-20-2017, 05:37 AM)Grimmbiest11 Wrote: It's because G&K also came on record at Comic Con that Kelly is Nick's kid, unfortunately I don't have the video.Hi Grimmbiest,
Yes they said Juliette is dead but it was rebuffed when Eve came back. Well Eve herself believes Juliette is gone/does not exist anymore. G&K never specified what type of death it is, they just said she is dead, she is not coming back. Obviously they were not talking about physical death, that's the loophole.
You mention that there are various types of death. Here is what the Macmillan Dictionary says:
http://www.macmillandictionary.com/us/th...s-of-death
Quote:Types of death - synonyms or related wordsIMO, Nick attempted to kill her "at the hands of someone." He seemed to be choking her but she did not die from "asphyiation - to kill someone by preventing them from breathing, or to die when someone prevents you from breathing." It seems Trubel brought her "untimely" death by two crossbow bolts but Chavez and crew removed the corpse before an autopsy was performed to confirm the "catagory of death."
Using the thesaurus
accidental death
noun
a death that was not caused on purpose: used for reporting the decision of a coroner (=an official who examines the cause of someone’s death)
carbon monoxide poisoning
noun
a serious condition in which someone breathes in a lot of carbon monoxide so that their blood cannot carry oxygen around their body, and they quickly die
fatality
noun
formal a death caused by an accident, war, violence, or disease
martyrdom
noun
a martyr’s pain or death
poisoning
noun
an occasion when someone is affected by poison
starvation
noun
a situation in which a person or animal suffers or dies because they do not have enough to eat
untimely
adjective
used about the death of someone who dies at a time that makes their death extremely sad or unexpected, especially because they are young
asphyxiation
noun
an early grave
death before the natural age that you would expect
at the hands of someone
if you suffer or die at the hands of someone, they make you suffer or die
a watery grave
a place where someone drowns (=dies under water)
death by misadventure
formal death caused by an accident
the supreme sacrifice
the act of dying for your country or your beliefs, or to save other people
http://www.exploreforensics.co.uk/the-fo...death.html
Quote:These four categories of death are:IMO, if coroner examination had been performed (LOL, in Grimm, not a chance) the finding would categorize her death a homicide, similar to this case:
Natural Causes: Quite simply when the body ceases to function of its own accord or if there are mitigating medical factors such as terminal illness, heart disease or the like, which would bring about death - this is generally referred to as death by natural causes.
Homicide: The taking of one human life by another human being by means of pre-meditated murder. The term pre-meditated means to have purposely planned and executed the murder of another human being in cold blood whilst trying to elude capture by the authorities.
Accidental Death: As the term would suggest the death of an individual by means other than natural death, murder or suicide. Accidental death can sometimes be manslaughter - murder but committed out of an involuntary act of violence towards another. Likewise accidental death can also be categorised as death by misadventure. This means that the victim has died by accident either whilst doing something they should not have been doing or by taking risks that would put them in mortal danger. A lot of extreme sports participants have died and their deaths have been classified as death by misadventure because of the extreme nature of their pastimes.
Suicide: The deliberate taking of one's own life due to extreme emotional distress often brought about by severe depression. Suicide is neither accidental nor is it classified as death by misadventure simply because the individual has set about on a course of action that would end with their own inevitable death. Normally this would occur by means of drug overdose, the cutting of one's wrists to induce uncontrollable bleeding, or indeed stepping out in front of a moving vehicle.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/to...-1.3739824
Gruesome!
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(03-20-2017, 06:15 AM)irukandji Wrote:(03-20-2017, 05:37 AM)Grimmbiest11 Wrote: Thus far they haven't rebuffed or cast doubt on Kelly's parentage. Perhaps you guys wanted a DNA test but that's not how it was written.
They didn't rebuff the absurd Juliette is dead fakery either. Instead they made her Eve so they didn't have to deal with it.
While Nick assumed he was Kelly's father, there has been no definitive proof as far as the series is concerned. I think that was deliberate. If Grimm had been given a full season six or even seven, I think that would have been a storyline.
Aside from that, debating Kelly's father isn't all that big of a deal. People to this day are still debating that Juliette knew and participated in Kelly's murder, even though she denied it to Nick.
What proof do you think would suffice to establish Nick's paternity since you don't believe what the story writers themselves have said?
Here's what G said after Juliette's return in S5.
TVLINE | David and Jim, how long have you known you were going to bring Bitsie back?
GREENWALT | A long time… But to keep my word, [Juliette] is dead. She’s coming back, but it’s not really Juliette anymore. It’s this new character, Eve, who has not been brainwashed exactly, but she’s been through some incredibly tough training where they broke her down to nothing. She’s basically a super Hexenbiest weapon for Hadrian’s Wall to fight Black Claw.
She has a big scene with Nick in Episode 7, and she’s just a completely different person who doesn’t even relate to Juliette anymore — because, to her, Juliette’s dead.
Later in season 6 again Eve says Juliette is gone with emphasis, she talks about Juliette as if she's someone else.
But we insist they 'lied' that she's dead. Death has more than one meaning, a person can be dead inside and still physically exist. We interpreted it as physical death because she was shot with arrows and seemingly took her last gasp which could've been just a coma cause by pain and injury.
While i think it's incredulous and more could've been done it is what it is, they're not gonna change the storyline because I don't agree with it.
It hasn't been definitively proven in the series, that's what I'm saying. If Adalind came up to Nick in the final episode and told him he wasn't Kelly's father, he has nothing to back up that he is, in fact, Kelly's father.
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