(02-14-2017, 12:09 AM)syscrash Wrote: [ -> ]Quote:Juliette had moved out for a while.
Her stuff was still there. It was still her address. There was no eviction. She even still had the key. by law it was her home. which means she had all the rights of the home owner.
She say she took her stuff and she did not own the house. She told Ken she had somewhere else she was living and that was her address.
There's all the neighbors' houses. And the neighbors' murders.
And there might still be an electronic trail showing that Juliette sent messages and made calls to Kelly telling her she needed to come there and it was safe to do so...unless HW had it wiped. More on that in a bit.
Juliette cannot claim self defense when she was the one who lured Kelly to the house in the first place. That one's been tried before and never works.
The reason that Juliette Silverton was never implicated in the events of "Headache" and probably never will be is that a federal black op agency decided that she had value to them and took her off the grid.
Because you invite someone in does not mean you can not exercise the castle doctrine. It does not mean the situation can not turn to where you fear for your life. Juliette being upstairs only strengths the explanation of her being in fear. Hiding upstairs is the action of some one that is afraid.
As for the neighbors. Their throats where ripped out. How do you accuse Kenneth or Juliette of being able to do that. Why do you think kenneth did not shot them. Like I keeps saying the writers thought about this. They crossed their "T" and dotted the "I" for a case of plausible denial.
Like is said you start with diplomatic immunity. It is Juliette house. The have her hiding in fear. You have the child's mother and grandfather retrieving their child that was kidnapped. You make the kidnapper a dangerous criminal with a violent past.
(02-14-2017, 12:32 AM)syscrash Wrote: [ -> ]Because you invite someone in does not mean you can not exercise the castle doctrine.
Juliette had moved out in Heartbreaker and was not sleeping there by Double Date.
Quote:Juliette had moved out in Heartbreaker and was not sleeping there by Double Date.
I would suggest you never rent a place. That was still her legal residence. It would have been illegal for Nick to have removed her stuff.
It does not matter where she sleeps for some where to be your residence. Until she removes her stuff that is her home. That is a fact in all 50 states. that is not opinion or speculation. Ask any lawyer. The exception would be if she was evicted but that would require legal notice. Bottom line you can not get made at your partner and lock them out. that is illegal.
(02-14-2017, 12:49 AM)syscrash Wrote: [ -> ]Quote:Juliette had moved out in Heartbreaker and was not sleeping there by Double Date.
I would suggest you never rent a place. That was still her legal residence. It would have been illegal for Nick to have removed her stuff.
It does not matter where she sleeps for some where to be your residence. Until she removes her stuff that is her home. That is a fact in all 50 states. that is not opinion or speculation. Ask any lawyer. The exception would be if she was evicted but that would require legal notice. Bottom line you can not get made at your partner and lock them out. that is illegal.
I have rented places and she had moved somewhere else. I been involved in evictions. Once she has been getting mail somewhere else for months it is over. She left months before based on your own timeline has her gone 6 months. She left right after Adalind found out she was pregnant and we are talking about a full term baby about to be born.
Quote:I have rented places and she had moved somewhere else. I been involved in evictions. Once she has been getting mail somewhere else for months it is over. She left months before based on your own timeline has her gone 6 months. She left right after Adalind found out she was pregnant and we are talking about a full term baby about to be born.
You used the example of some one moving.
Juliette did not move. She said she was staying somewhere else. That's not moving. Moving is taking your stuff, changing your address. All of her things where still at the house. They showed Juliette clothes where still in the closet.
you used the example of eviction.
There was no eviction.
Just like when Nick was sleeping at Monroe's. The house was still his home. There is no time limit on when you last sleep somewhere to establish residency.
The "castle doctrine" says that you do not have a duty to back down before using deadly force when you are threatened. It does not give you the unrestricted right to kill someone in your home, or to bring others into your home to ambush them when they show up with a child in hand. It certainly does not give you the right to participate in home invasion and murders of your neighbors.
Kelly's head was severed and left in a box for her son to find; her body was removed from the premises. The neighboring homes were invaded and their occupants killed. The verrat were not shown wearing clean suits and changing them between homes, so crime scene forensics would have provided the necessary evidence to show that the same persons entered all the invaded homes. It's not as if Kelly's death was an isolated incident; it was only one death among many in what must have been a headline-grabbing mass murder (we don't have a lot of those here in Portland).
Of course, this is academic, because in all likelihood when HW took Juliette they would have wiped any evidence of her presence in the house that night. It would have been very inconvenient if Eve had somehow ended up in custody when there was evidence implicating Juliette Silverton as a person of interest in the biggest Portland murder case of the past few decades. There might even be a record somewhere of Juliette leaving the country before it all happened...
Quote:The "castle doctrine" says that you do not have a duty to back down before using deadly force when you are threatened. It does not give you the unrestricted right to kill someone in your home, or to bring others into your home to ambush them when they show up with a child in hand. It certainly does not give you the right to participate in home invasion and murders of your neighbors.
You are trying to create a false narrative. First It was never stated castle doctrine gives you unrestricted rights to kill.
There is no relevance to associate the castle doctrine with inviting someone into your home. You use the term ambush. You can not sight a single statement saying the plan was an ambush. You are trying to draw and inference that is not in evidence. The plan was very specific that they intended to recover Diana. Anything other then that is an assumption your are making. assumption are not allowed as evidence. That would amount to being the thought police.
You also use the term home invasion. How can it be home invasion if it is her home. We know it is her home because her things where still there. It does not mater that she was sleeping at Sean's. Again you are trying to paint a narrative that does not exist.
You could never prove the neighbors because their throats where ripped out. Something no one could ever explain in a court. Even if you could prove they where there. With out a how or a weapon you can not prove they did it.
As for the dismemberment. Since you could make an argument for justifiable homicide. The only violation would be leaving the scene and tampering with the evidence. Both charges would not apply to Juliette. As for Kenneth since his position would be in protection of others. An argument could be made that Kenneth left to remove the child from such a traumatic scene and return her to her family. Which is exactly what he did.
You created a nice narrative to create the perception you want. but it is a false narrative created out of assumptions you are making.
(02-14-2017, 01:15 AM)syscrash Wrote: [ -> ]Quote:I have rented places and she had moved somewhere else. I been involved in evictions. Once she has been getting mail somewhere else for months it is over. She left months before based on your own timeline has her gone 6 months. She left right after Adalind found out she was pregnant and we are talking about a full term baby about to be born.
You used the example of some one moving.
Juliette did not move. She said she was staying somewhere else. That's not moving. Moving is taking your stuff, changing your address. All of her things where still at the house. They showed Juliette clothes where still in the closet.
you used the example of eviction.
There was no eviction.
Just like when Nick was sleeping at Monroe's. The house was still his home. There is no time limit on when you last sleep somewhere to establish residency.
You believed that every day Juliette was going to Nick's for mail for many months. It does not matter that you leave your things if you move. Juliette was seen taking clothes from the house. She was buying her own food and likely paying to live somewhere else for many months. You do not need to be evicted to legally move after months.
When Nick was at Monroe he still owned the house and could go everyday to get his mail and his stuff as needed.