10-11-2018, 03:43 PM
Adalind was sent by Sean,whose interest in Nick was to make him attack his partner- Hank-.
10-11-2018, 03:43 PM
Adalind was sent by Sean,whose interest in Nick was to make him attack his partner- Hank-.
10-11-2018, 03:50 PM
(10-11-2018, 03:27 PM)Hell Rell Wrote:(10-11-2018, 02:45 PM)irukandji Wrote:(10-11-2018, 09:47 AM)eric Wrote: I was sorry that Nick and Juliette did not find a way to work and live together after the change. I was hoping for some sort of super duo fighting for justice etc. As with most things, I guessed wrong. Up to the point where she helped kill Kelly it seemed possible, after that no way. Absolutely. I'm not disagreeing with that. I'm just stating that I don't believe Nick ever held his mother's death against Eve. He was mad as hell that she set him up, but he also seemed to understand the reasons behind it. It would make no sense that he would be amendable to forgive Adalind for all of the evil things she's done but not Eve.
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10-12-2018, 06:12 AM
(10-11-2018, 03:19 PM)N_grimm Wrote:(10-11-2018, 02:45 PM)irukandji Wrote:(10-11-2018, 09:47 AM)eric Wrote: I was sorry that Nick and Juliette did not find a way to work and live together after the change. I was hoping for some sort of super duo fighting for justice etc. As with most things, I guessed wrong. Up to the point where she helped kill Kelly it seemed possible, after that no way. (10-11-2018, 03:50 PM)irukandji Wrote:(10-11-2018, 03:27 PM)Hell Rell Wrote:(10-11-2018, 02:45 PM)irukandji Wrote:(10-11-2018, 09:47 AM)eric Wrote: I was sorry that Nick and Juliette did not find a way to work and live together after the change. I was hoping for some sort of super duo fighting for justice etc. As with most things, I guessed wrong. Up to the point where she helped kill Kelly it seemed possible, after that no way. Un-flocking believable how "SOME" keep trying to change the plot by accusing Adalind in the attempt to murder Nick's substitute mother and failing miserably, yet accuse her of the murder. Then out of same mouth, give Juliette a pass in the actual successful murder of his real mother as her involvement, as the main architect of her demise. As much as I hate being repetitive but I have to ask, WTF were they watching. Anyway, back to my short fan fiction fantasy. If she had taken that suppression potions, we would have never gotten to Kelly's decapitation. Juliette would have gotten back together and in the fold with the scoobies, gotten married and retired momma Grimm become a live-in nanny for the many Grimm/Hex to follow. I really think, if the writers had taken this path or something similar, the show would have lasted longer. Even after 123 episodes, there were still many more fables to adapt from the Grimm books to keep the series going.
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10-12-2018, 07:43 AM
After Adeline tried and failed to kill Marie on her own, Renard ordered her to get some people to finish the job. Monroe handled the first pair, Marie killed the next killer, only to die from the stress. I don't see Grimm Nick or Cop Nick not seeing Adeline and Renard as responsible. He was able to work with them and eventually fall in love with Adeline(time heals all wounds?) . He probably would have been able to do the same with Juliette, but she had moved on.
10-12-2018, 08:00 AM
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(10-12-2018, 07:43 AM)eric Wrote: After Adeline tried and failed to kill Marie on her own, Renard ordered her to get some people to finish the job. Monroe handled the first pair, Marie killed the next killer, only to die from the stress. I don't see Grimm Nick or Cop Nick not seeing Adeline and Renard as responsible. He was able to work with them and eventually fall in love with Adeline(time heals all wounds?) . He probably would have been able to do the same with Juliette, but she had moved on. And thats always been my point. Nick was able to look past what Adalind did to try to kill his aunt and failed and he did forgive her for that. Why would he have not accept Juliette, as a Hex if he did accept Adalind, as a Hex and her attempt of trying to kill his aunt. I do admit, getting his mother to loose her head is a deal breaker but it didn't have to get to that point. All her fears of Nick unwilling to accept her was more about Juliette accepting herself. She was unable to accept herself as a Hex. She saw herself trough Nick's eyes as she saw herself instead of how Nick was seeing her and his willingness to accept her as what she became. That whole attempt to suppress her Hex was not to cure, her, change her permanently of reject her. It was her rejecting herself as she embraced, what she saw was her only option. She chose to be an adversary to a Grimm instead of an ally. Nick had proven track record to accept Wesen that lived an un-agressive evil life for a few years, and she was well aware of. She never gave him a chance, or better yet, give herself that chance.
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10-12-2018, 08:15 AM
(10-12-2018, 07:43 AM)eric Wrote: After Adeline tried and failed to kill Marie on her own, Renard ordered her to get some people to finish the job. Monroe handled the first pair, Marie killed the next killer, only to die from the stress. I don't see Grimm Nick or Cop Nick not seeing Adeline and Renard as responsible. He was able to work with them and eventually fall in love with Adeline(time heals all wounds?) . He probably would have been able to do the same with Juliette, but she had moved on.if by moving on you mean she tried to kill him. When he confront Adalind in jail, he did say she tried to kill his aunt. In the same manner he accused Eve of setting up his mother. He eventually forgave both woman since he's sort of flakey when it comes to holding grudges.
10-12-2018, 08:52 AM
It's like that, she was never accepted as " Hexenbiest".
Juliette thought that others saw her like this,but talk to them? No, only react violently. And Nick? How could see her face feeling guilty about that change? Added to the fact that juliette considered him guilty.
10-12-2018, 09:12 AM
(10-12-2018, 07:43 AM)eric Wrote: After Adeline tried and failed to kill Marie on her own, Renard ordered her to get some people to finish the job. Monroe handled the first pair, Marie killed the next killer, only to die from the stress. I don't see Grimm Nick or Cop Nick not seeing Adeline and Renard as responsible. He was able to work with them and eventually fall in love with Adeline(time heals all wounds?) . He probably would have been able to do the same with Juliette, but she had moved on. I can't see Nick not blaming Renard and Adalind, but yet blaming Juliette. That's a real inconsistency within the character.
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(10-12-2018, 09:12 AM)irukandji Wrote:(10-12-2018, 07:43 AM)eric Wrote: After Adeline tried and failed to kill Marie on her own, Renard ordered her to get some people to finish the job. Monroe handled the first pair, Marie killed the next killer, only to die from the stress. I don't see Grimm Nick or Cop Nick not seeing Adeline and Renard as responsible. He was able to work with them and eventually fall in love with Adeline(time heals all wounds?) . He probably would have been able to do the same with Juliette, but she had moved on. It wasn't an inconsistency, which I think you might agree with since you said you can't see Nick doing it. Nick got confirmation that Adalind tried to kill Marie from Adalind herself similar to getting confirmation from Juliette that she helped setup his mom in the restaurant. He did blame her and he even brought up her attempt to kill Marie again when she showed up at his house with Mama Kelly and Diana. Kelly looked at her and said "You tried to kill my sister?" after Nick mentioned it. The scene of Kelly's birth was used to show that Nick and Adalind were going to make an attempt at putting everything behind them for Kelly's sake. Nick seemed to come to an agreement with Adalind that they wouldn't hate each other anymore. It was the least they could do for their son. Knowing Nick, he may have done the same for Juliette if she was the one that had gotten pregnant.
I'm not disagreeing with you about Nick telling Eve she set up his mother. What I am disagreeing with is eric's statement that she helped to kill Kelly. That did not happen.
In any case, Nick would have to be able to forgive Eve because he admitted it was his fault that Juliette became a hexenbiest in the first place.
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