06-12-2016, 03:47 PM
06-12-2016, 05:38 PM
(06-12-2016, 03:47 PM)FaceInTheCrowd Wrote:(06-12-2016, 02:14 PM)irukandji Wrote: They proved that when Nick and his cronies made fun of a tent revival not so long before he found the stick. Are you saying Nick's excused for making fun of them?
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06-12-2016, 05:43 PM
I'm saying that most people tend to look askance at them. And in this case, it really did turn out that Eleazar was a fraud, albeit a well-intentioned one.
06-12-2016, 06:22 PM
(06-12-2016, 05:43 PM)FaceInTheCrowd Wrote: I'm saying that most people tend to look askance at them. And in this case, it really did turn out that Eleazar was a fraud, albeit a well-intentioned one. Not everyone looks askance at tent revivals. And Nick is a cop, he should be on better behavior than that.
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06-12-2016, 09:08 PM
(06-12-2016, 02:32 PM)FaceInTheCrowd Wrote: Healing a despotic tyrant, or the wounded soldiers of that tyrant's conquering army so they can go back into battle again and again, would still be healing. Wow. Your mind must be in a REALLY dark place if it keeps seeking out the worst possible scenario for every situation. Firstly; the stick can only be used on one person at a time, so it would be an ineffective, impractical tool on the battlefield, where there could be hundreds or THOUSANDS of soldiers taking fire. Second, there's a difference between people who are morally compromised (Nick & Co.) and outright evil. Who's to say the stick wouldn't "drive out" all the demons in the despotic tyrant's soul, much like how Jesus drove out the demons from a man's body into a herd of pigs? We could go 'round in circles about this until season 6 is finally on the television, FITC. By then we'll both probably be proven wrong.
06-12-2016, 09:38 PM
(This post was last modified: 06-12-2016, 09:40 PM by FaceInTheCrowd.)
Just trying to think like a greedy, power-hungry royal.
The stick is a small fragment of something larger. The obvious first step if you're seven royal families and have something like it would be to slice off a bit of it and see if even the smaller fragment still has the power, so the heads of the seven families can divide it instead of fighting over it. If you can divide the stick into seven still-powerful pieces, you have the heads of seven royal families in a position to declare themselves rulers by the will of God. That in itself may be enough to inspire their subjects to fight for the glory of their kings. But then their next step might be to see just how small a bit of their stick fragment still works. If they find that tiny pieces work, then you have armies under the command of members of the royal families, wearing rings with bits of stick in them that makes them invulnerable to attack and endows them with the power to heal their soldiers with a touch. And of course, all of these people will be virtuous souls who are convinced that they're fighting for the glory of God and their Church. So in their hearts they won't be doing evil at all, will they? For that matter, even the rulers might believe it was part of some divine plan that this power became theirs. Mind you, we're talking about this happening in the Dark Ages, when marauding armies were already regularly sacking and pillaging helpless villages on a regular basis, so the only real risk to the armies would be if their rulers ended up sending them into battle against each other. As long as the royals could resist the urge to do that, they really could potentially rule the world because they got their hands on that stick, and they might never have lost that power even into the modern age. But I think Monroe was right to wonder if the treasure might not be quite as valuable today. Because who knows if the stick could prevent you from being blown to bits by a cruise missile. (06-12-2016, 09:08 PM)Hexenadler Wrote:(06-12-2016, 02:32 PM)FaceInTheCrowd Wrote: Healing a despotic tyrant, or the wounded soldiers of that tyrant's conquering army so they can go back into battle again and again, would still be healing. Is there any particular reason you keep making repeated personal attacks on people merely voicing their opinion in this forum? As far as I can tell, FaceInTheCrowd is one of the most even keeled, logical posters in this forum,but there you are making negative suppositions about FaceInTheCrowd's state of mind. Feel free to pick on me, I can punch back and damn hard, but really, this poster in particular is one of the most reasonable debaters in this forum and contributes a great deal in a very civil fashion. Thank you.
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06-12-2016, 10:26 PM
(This post was last modified: 06-13-2016, 01:46 AM by FaceInTheCrowd.)
In all fairness, the seven knights decided to keep a stick that heals out of the hands of the royals for fear they could use it to rule the world. They didn't take a detour to Rome and hand it over to the Pope, either. And they locked in a chest that could only be opened by all of them together. You sort of have to go to a dark place to recreate the thinking that led them to the conclusion that nobody could be trusted to have it, themselves included.
And when it comes to people killing in the name of some god, today has been a rather dark day in the real world as well...
06-13-2016, 12:21 PM
(06-12-2016, 10:26 PM)FaceInTheCrowd Wrote: In all fairness, the seven knights decided to keep a stick that heals out of the hands of the royals for fear they could use it to rule the world. They didn't take a detour to Rome and hand it over to the Pope, either. And they locked in a chest that could only be opened by all of them together. You sort of have to go to a dark place to recreate the thinking that led them to the conclusion that nobody could be trusted to have it, themselves included. These are some great reasons that support why the artifact is not the true cross.
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06-13-2016, 12:47 PM
(This post was last modified: 06-13-2016, 12:56 PM by FaceInTheCrowd.)
Did a little research on "True Cross." In all of the accounts of its supposed powers, there was nothing that suggested that only good people could use it or be healed by it. In fact, except for the earliest account of the emperor Constantine's mother placing a sick woman on it and her healing and accounts of the faithful making pilgrimages to the various bits of wood that have been claimed as fragments of the cross, there don't seem to be any documented cases of anyone actually being healed.
So yeah, a stick that consistently heals anyone it touches would run counter to accounts of the TC, if only because it actually seems to work. |
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