07-01-2017, 08:08 PM
Iam not a lover of sex or the opposite as far as my morals are concerned. But there is alarm when a woman is naked - in tv- but not when there are weapons. The current danger is that easily get the weapons.
07-01-2017, 08:08 PM
Iam not a lover of sex or the opposite as far as my morals are concerned. But there is alarm when a woman is naked - in tv- but not when there are weapons. The current danger is that easily get the weapons.
07-01-2017, 08:16 PM
(07-01-2017, 08:04 PM)Hexenadler Wrote:Fair point.(06-30-2017, 09:43 PM)rpmaluki Wrote: TV has never been about people making smart, intelligent decisions in any given situation.
07-01-2017, 09:09 PM
Quote:Hexenadler said, " Let's hear it from Bulworth (I get to sneak in a bit of a movie that I love, as well): Only about not quite a minute in....
"You have you to complete, and there is no deal."
-Sly & The Family Stone (Stand)
07-02-2017, 09:15 AM
The standard hasn't been slipping. There's more quality than there's ever been. It's like music. You just need to know where to find it. The shows on broadcast networks and mainstream music has declined but things like Netflix and satellite radio give you quality.
Broadcast still has high quality shows like AoS but they're just not popular. Community was great show yet always struggled to find an audience and became a cult classic that's popular on the web.
07-02-2017, 11:11 AM
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07-02-2017, 11:24 AM
(07-02-2017, 11:11 AM)Hexenadler Wrote:(07-02-2017, 09:15 AM)Hell Rell Wrote: The standard hasn't been slipping. There's more quality than there's ever been. It's like music. You just need to know where to find it. Agreed. If there's so much good stuff (and I'm not arguing that point), why hasn't this quality bled over (heh) into covering much more of what's out there, wherever it is. Kinda like the 100th monkey thing.
"You have you to complete, and there is no deal."
-Sly & The Family Stone (Stand)
Mainstream shows and music are about following trends so they can get a larger audience. That's why there was an influx of vampire shows and movies after Twilight. The songs played on the radio for the most part have a catchy tune so it can be played over and over. The lyrics don't really matter as much.
You can't tell me HBO and other premium channels along with networks like AMC, FX, and Netflix aren't producing high quality shows. I think Game of Thrones has become vastly overrated but they do have Westworld and had a great miniseries in The Night Of and Curb Your Enthusiasm is coming back. ABC has Agents of Shield and NBC had Community and both don't have a large audience. FX had an excellent show titled Damages that failed to capture a large audience. Even Adult Swim on the Cartoon Network has Rick and Morty. In music, two of the biggest names in rap or Kendrick Lamar and J. Cole. Like usual, their best songs don't receive a lot of airplay. The best ones are always found on the album. Kendrick has a song called Duckworth on his album that's amazing but isn't appropriate for regular airplay. I also like Jay-Z's new album a lot. I stand by what I said about the quality out there. The audience in general shares some of the blame because shows that take time to find their footing and develop characters and storylines generally don't last long. They're made to wow you right off the bat, especially broadcast network shows. That's why most shows that make it past season 2 have their best days behind them. It's rare for a show like AoS to be as good as it is in its fourth season.
[/quote]Hell Rell said, "I stand by what I said about the quality out there. The audience in general shares some of the blame because shows that take time to find their footing and develop characters and storylines generally don't last long. They're made to wow you right off the bat, especially broadcast network shows. That's why most shows that make it past season 2 have their best days behind them. It's rare for a show like AoS to be as good as it is in its fourth season."[/quote][quote]
I don't, and can't disagree with you, mainly because I don't even own a TV set and haven't even seen all the shows you mentioned. I think my little opinion is a little part of the whole reasoning behind the way things are. There's really nothing here for anyone to disagree with.
"You have you to complete, and there is no deal."
-Sly & The Family Stone (Stand)
07-02-2017, 01:20 PM
(07-02-2017, 11:48 AM)Hell Rell Wrote: You can't tell me HBO and other premium channels along with networks like AMC, FX, and Netflix aren't producing high quality shows. I think Game of Thrones has become vastly overrated but they do have Westworld and had a great miniseries in The Night Of and Curb Your Enthusiasm is coming back. ABC has Agents of Shield and NBC had Community and both don't have a large audience. FX had an excellent show titled Damages that failed to capture a large audience. Even Adult Swim on the Cartoon Network has Rick and Morty. I can, actually. All the shows you just listed have had varying degrees of success, sure, but their "quality" depends on how much you enjoy a dark outlook on the universe. Even "Agents of Shield" has a tendency of being a very gritty, downcast series. An excessively cynical attitude is frequently mistaken for quality these days, not just by a show's writers, but by the audience as well. It's part of the weird zeitgeist we're going through, and I doubt the shows a lot of people are praising right now will be regarded in the same light in a decade or two. Those shows are only "good" if you happen to be a bitter or disenfranchised person yourself and already agree with their perspectives. They're doomed to become shallow products of their time, more so than anything that ever came out of the '70's or '80's.
The show of the 70s and 80s veered in the opposite direction. They were too lighthearted for my tastes. I can no longer watch shows like The Cosby Show, regardless of what's going on with Cosby, and Full House. That's why Roseanne was so groundbreaking.
AoS has tragic things happen but it's not a cynical show. I doubt the majority of people who watch AoS or even Westworld are bitter and disenfranchised. They are absolutely not shallow and have more depth than the shows of yesteryear. I think Community was more well-written than most shows of the past and requires the audience to pay attention to get some of the gags. It's part of the reason why it never became a mainstream success like the Big Bang Theory. I remember someone saying Community is a show made for nerds while TBBT is a show that makes fun of nerds. There's a lot more to it than that but I understand what they mean. As far as cynicism goes, Jeff, a cynical and conceited guy, was the lead character on Community. His cynicism was often challenged and he realized how misguided he was in plenty of episodes. Jeff acknowledged how much he needed these people and his cynicism tempered throughout the series. Quality is quality. It doesn't matter what the genre of the show is. I watched OUAT along with Grimm and I thought OUAT was the superior show for the first couple of seasons even though Grimm was much grittier and OUAT had a true love conquers all theme. It's a matter of perspective but none of the shows I listed are shallow except for Game of Thrones which I already blasted. I don't watch them because they have a dark outlook and I will call out a shoe that tries to be gritty for the sake of it. |
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