12-13-2021, 03:55 PM (This post was last modified: 12-13-2021, 03:56 PM by N_grimm.)
(12-13-2021, 03:40 PM)irukandji Wrote: What young girlfriends did Trubel acquire when she was working for HW?
Considering she was drugged, locked up in a cell, sent on missions in a global war against wesen, it is difficult to imagine that she, Eve, Meisner or any other members of HC had time or permission to socialize. But we do not know, since we never saw how Trubel behaved on her trips abroad. What we do know is that she was always very social when she was with Nick. If HC hampered her social life, you have to blame the US government and not Nick.
Nick didn't seem to have any friends of his own outside of his coworkers and those we saw him make during the series. We saw a flashback with some of Juliette's friends, but never any of Nick's. Maybe being a loner is something instinctive to grimms even before they come into their abilities.
12-13-2021, 04:04 PM (This post was last modified: 12-13-2021, 04:06 PM by irukandji.)
I don't recall it clearly being mentioned in the show that Trubel was the one who was locked up in the cell. Speculated, yes, but clearly confirmed in the show? No. We never really saw who was in the cell, did we?
I had to laugh at your comment about Trubel socializing with thieves who steal from shops. I have to wonder what those conversations were all about.
As for HW, there were young women working in the ready room with Trubel, Eve and Meisner. And certainly such a powerful organization had to be recruiting other young men and women for their cause. As it stood, the only friend she really had at HW was Eve, who was by no means a social butterfly.
And if she was so hot at making people believe she was a criminality major, one would have thought someone among the Grimm team would have taken the time to suggest that perhaps she really go into criminal studies rather than faking it? I mean, gee, someone actually looking at her and seeing some other potential other than the ability to see monsters. Totally new concept.
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(12-13-2021, 04:00 PM)FaceInTheCrowd Wrote: Nick didn't seem to have any friends of his own outside of his coworkers and those we saw him make during the series. We saw a flashback with some of Juliette's friends, but never any of Nick's. Maybe being a loner is something instinctive to grimms even before they come into their abilities.
I actually think Nick was probably an idealistic young policeman who socialized before and after Juliette. He talked about going down to Mexico. It's not set in stone of course, but usually silly trips to Mexico (the Elvis lamp) would have been done with like minded guys. As I said before, I think there's more to being a Grimm than just the cool outward attributes. It has to genetically change the individual to something far different than what they were before.
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12-13-2021, 04:24 PM (This post was last modified: 12-13-2021, 04:43 PM by N_grimm.)
(12-13-2021, 04:04 PM)irukandji Wrote: I don't recall it clearly being mentioned in the show that Trubel was the one who was locked up in the cell. Speculated, yes, but clearly confirmed in the show? No. We never really saw who was in the cell, did we?
I had to laugh at your comment about Trubel socializing with thieves who steal from shops. I have to wonder what those conversations were all about.
As for HW, there were young women working in the ready room with Trubel, Eve and Meisner. And certainly such a powerful organization had to be recruiting other young men and women for their cause. As it stood, the only friend she really had at HW was Eve, who was by no means a social butterfly.
And if she was so hot at making people believe she was a criminality major, one would have thought someone among the Grimm team would have taken the time to suggest that perhaps she really go into criminal studies rather than faking it? I mean, gee, someone actually looking at her and seeing some other potential other than the ability to see monsters. Totally new concept.
We know what they were talking about because it was shown on screen. My point is that she easily came in contact with people and was anything but shy. So she had social skills.
The series focuses on Nick and the supporting characters. There is little focus on their friends and acquaintances. Does Hank or Wu know anyone other than Nick? How about Renard - he's single throughout the series, except for a couple of one-nigh stands, and apparently has no personal friends. Juliette is shown attending a party, but never has girlfriends over - except one who escapes from her violent husband. Adalind is clear about having no friends. Monroe declares in the pilot episode that he does not socialize much. Is it common in TV series that we get to know the friends of the supporting characters? Usually not, because there would be too many characters to keep track of. They are only brought in if they have direct relevance to the story.
Making Trubel into a criminology student was something Nick and Hank came up with on the fly to explain why she was riding in their car. It was never mentioned again, so unlikely that it was something she tried to continue doing. And once Renard and Wu knew who she was, there was no need to pass her off as anything.
Nick's Mexico trip doesn't tell us much about his past (though it probably is a tell that the writers were SoCal educated). It's a rite of passage for a lot of LA and San Diego area college boys, but we know nothing about Nick's education, either.
12-13-2021, 10:07 PM (This post was last modified: 12-13-2021, 10:49 PM by irukandji.)
(12-13-2021, 04:24 PM)N_grimm Wrote: We know what they were talking about because it was shown on screen. My point is that she easily came in contact with people and was anything but shy. So she had social skills.
The series focuses on Nick and the supporting characters. There is little focus on their friends and acquaintances. Does Hank or Wu know anyone other than Nick? How about Renard - he's single throughout the series, except for a couple of one-nigh stands, and apparently has no personal friends. Juliette is shown attending a party, but never has girlfriends over - except one who escapes from her violent husband. Adalind is clear about having no friends. Monroe declares in the pilot episode that he does not socialize much. Is it common in TV series that we get to know the friends of the supporting characters? Usually not, because there would be too many characters to keep track of. They are only brought in if they have direct relevance to the story.
There was no outcry on this forum for more Hank, more Wu, or more Renard. Why? Because they were already established as Nick's peers. They were not friends, but peers. I often thought Monroe was his friend, but he used Monroe and Rosalee so much for his own purposes that they appear to me to be more living encyclopedias or tag along police wannabes when Nick wants to find something out but doesn't want to do the work himself. As for Juliette and Adalind, they were featured characters on the show.
You're more or less saying friends aren't important because the characters themselves don't have friends. Maybe they do, maybe they don't. However, most of them are preoccupied with Nick and his problems or they're doing their own thing, so they're busy enough. Trubel didn't have that. She was homeless with no outlook. Suddenly she's given a get out of being arrested card (Nick wouldn't even do that for his girlfriend), and a key to her freedom when Nick told her she wasn't crazy. Gee, wouldn't that be the time for her to discover the world a bit? Instead Hank and Nick make up a cockamany disguise for her as a student.
I know that not all characters can be developed to their fullest. But here's the deal with Trubel. I remember posters on this forum wanting to see more of Trubel, but because of Jacqueline's busy schedule, her appearances were limited. Posters here were so interested in her, that they were speculating she might be the star of the spin off, should one occur. It would have been nice to have Trubel be the one character that Nick went to extraordinary lengths to help. Instead, what did he do for her? Yes, he prevented her arrest and yes he told her she was a Grimm. She lived in his house for a time (an extremely dumb move on his part), but it happened. Other than that, Trubel is still homeless and still has no outlook, back to square two. That is a big failure on Nick's part.
By the way, did you ever once consider that Trubel can easily get acquainted with thieves because she is, in fact, a thief? Thieves are not the kind of people she should be getting acquainted with to begin with. They have nothing to offer her other than pointers on shoplifting. Trubel should keep in mind that it was a thief who threatened her life over a pair of boots. A real test for Trubel to get friends would be through school. She could learn more from them than thieves looking to shoplift.
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(12-13-2021, 04:33 PM)FaceInTheCrowd Wrote: Making Trubel into a criminology student was something Nick and Hank came up with on the fly to explain why she was riding in their car. It was never mentioned again, so unlikely that it was something she tried to continue doing. And once Renard and Wu knew who she was, there was no need to pass her off as anything.
Nick's Mexico trip doesn't tell us much about his past (though it probably is a tell that the writers were SoCal educated). It's a rite of passage for a lot of LA and San Diego area college boys, but we know nothing about Nick's education, either.
So what was the point? Was Trubel simply a story crutch so Nick can tell her she's a Grimm? You know more about the show the most of the people here. Is that all she is?
As for Nick's Mexico trip, I didn't say that because it tells us everything about Nick's past. My point was it does tell us something, and seems to indicate there were friends involved, regardless of where the writers were educated. We don't need to know everything in Nick's past anyway because his character is so interactively woven within the story itself. If the writers want to throw in a tidbit, fine. If not, that's fine too.
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I don't know with any certainty why the character of Trubel was created. The ratings in season 3 were starting to go in the wrong direction, so maybe the idea was a 20-something character to try to shift the demographics younger (everybody else in the regular cast was 35-40 by then).