07-30-2016, 04:11 PM
(07-30-2016, 10:27 AM)New Guy Wrote:(07-30-2016, 07:56 AM)Robyn Wrote: Based on the show’s characterization of Kelly up to the kidnapping, I assumed her intentions were to teach Diana how & when to use her powers and for Kelly to have control over the how & when, but if Kelly determined Diana couldn’t be controlled she would kill Diana before old enough & powerful enough to stop her. I never considered motherly love or a compulsion to protect a vulnerable child as part of Kelly’s motivation.Hello Robyn,
Considering Diana’s rapid growth, Kelly was teaching her during formative years. Diana didn’t display any emotions after witnessing Kelly’s violent death or any mother/child connection to Kelly. She also didn’t display any fear when taken by strangers or interacting with the King.
Nature? Nurture? A little of both? To me, Diana behaved much the way Kelly would. Soldier down, move on and stay focused. Perhaps that’s how Kelly was teaching/training Diana, a Grimm/soldier training/preparing a future uber soldier. That Kelly would suddenly decide to give up her Grimm lifestyle to provide a stable & normal life for any child contradicts everything the show has revealed about the character.
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The Juliette is dead nonsense is the result of G & K behaving like adolescents concocting a cool idea instead of grown men spearheading a show. Instead of the silly teasing that Juliette is dead they should have left the character’s fate a mystery until Juliette’s transformation into Eve was shown to viewers in S5.
What might hit the cutting room floor because screen time was given to the Juliette/Eve transformation? Nick/Adalind scenes that didn’t even scratch the surface of character evolution? A lake monster? A giant rat?
And the biggest nonsense of all is that Juliette needed to become a new persona in order to gain control over her power & emotions and come to terms with her past.
IMO, the "Juliette is dead" was completely logical and provided proper consequence for her actions. The "nonsense" is Eve, aka FrankenEve. I shall always remember standing with my father beside my grandmother's grave and he said "death is permanent." My father was absolutely correct, but the Grimm writers make death a fantasy. I recall the red and black two headed snake that Elizabeth Lascelles pulled from her bag to resuscitate Sean Renard after he flatlined. She also froze time.
Grimm is part reality and part fantasy. The task for the writers is to blend the two in a way that attracts viewers. The return of Sean to life was explained by the fantasy snake, nonsense. The return of Juliette/Hexenette to life was not explained. The writers showed Trubel shooting two crossbow bolts into Hexenette, she falls into Nick's arms, calls him Nick with her final breath and dies in his arms. We are shown the blood from the wound that has filled her lung and coming from her mouth. Chavez sends in the HW crew that takes her cadaver and puts in the back of a vehicle. But was she actually dead?
Quote:Scene: Nick arrives at the loft, waking Trubel up and she quickly grabs a knife and stands up.So the writers declared Hexenette dead and Meisner tells her she is dead, but Nick is angry with Trubel for not telling him. Even Trubel is confused by it all and says "I swear to God I have no idea what happened to her! . . . All I know is that she was alive when Chavez took her."
Trubel: [She breathes heavily and puts her knife away once she realizes it's just Nick] What's wrong?
Nick: I just saw Juliette.
Trubel: What?
Nick: She's alive, and you know it!
Trubel: No, Nick, I—
Nick: Tell me the truth!
Trubel: I swear to God I have no idea what happened to her!
Nick: But you knew she was alive.
Trubel: No. I mean, not for sure.
Nick: She's either dead, or she isn't!
Trubel: All I know is that she was alive when Chavez took her, but... I didn't know if she was gonna survive what they were gonna do to her.
Nick: And what was that?
Trubel: Break her.
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[Flashback of Juliette gasping awake after her wounds were treated after she was shot by Trubel]
Meisner: You're dead, but you don't have to stay that way.
[Juliette gasps while trying to talk]
Meisner: It's going to be difficult to speak for a while.
[Juliette signals Meisner to get closer and he does. She tries to grab his throat, but Meisner quickly grabs her hand]
Meisner: You will learn how to focus that rage... [He smacks Juliette] if you survive. [He leaves]
IMO, the writers have no idea what happened to her. They tried hard to get the viewers to buy into the cockamamie story line that FrankenEve is some other character and Juliette is dead. Sure, Grimm is part fantasy, but if Juliette died then delete Eve from the show. If she didn't die then the writers need to confess and cut the bull about:
Quote:TVLINE | David and Jim, how long have you known you were going to bring Bitsie back?New Guy
GREENWALT | A long time… But to keep my word, [Juliette] is dead. She’s coming back, but it’s not really Juliette anymore.
I totally agree with you New GUY, If Juliette is dead keep her dead, and move on, As to Eve she should be Eve with no mention of Juliette period end of Story. I am sick of this Juliette/Eve crap I say enough already bury her in a deep deep whole and move along the story line.