(07-27-2016, 03:10 PM)jsgrimm45 Wrote: I think we are miscommunicating as I see it this way you say Juliette said she didn't know as a statement true. You take it as true as I see it I could be wrong but that is what I think you are saying. I don't take it as true or false but to debate I took the other side as if not it was because she chose not to know.
So in this case and in this way yes I guess you could say I stepped out of pure fantasy. I was a viewer and I didn't believe this was possible with all the planning she helped with. On the other hand to me that is what fantasy is the viewer adding their view your view is her statement my view is her actions where she created a fantasy world of her own not to know what would happen to Kelly.
With I see as fantasy is viewpoint in Grimm I can decide the viewpoint. Is Grimm real no we both would agree no tv series is real most of the time. Bones series I can't change the storyline because I'm not a scientist so I have no idea how much is correct or not, so I can't debate the series to me it is yes or no and I don't know which. Grimm I like because this one I can take either side to debate. I likely add some of my own fantasy ideas to the debates.
We debate the series often we almost never agree but we debate what we see that is the fun of the forum. See the other angle. Now there are times when someone posts something that changes my view or the will bring out an interesting question or subplot I totally missed.
If you and I both were Supernatural fan we would likely have more in common because that series is so fantasy related no connection to the real world we disagree in Grimm likely because it is a real city and a real police dept being used.
My issue with Grimm is not that it's based in a real city or that a real police department is being used. My issue is that Grimm consistently fails to define parameters for the main characters. Take Nick, for instance. He's a Grimm. What is a Grimm? Is it really Nick making it up as he goes along? Because that's generally what we see.
You brought up something in the Kelly/Diana thread that I thought was interesting so I wanted to touch upon it here:
Quote:Marie had told Nick to hunt down and kill the bad ones not all wesen.
Because Grimm has never really defined good and bad, what in the heck was Marie talking about?
Take Monroe, for instance. Is he a "good" wesen? Based on what? When Nick and Monroe were in Germany, Monroe starts to talk about his hunting excursions with his grandfather? (I think it was the grandfather). From the way Monroe talks, we get the idea they were hunting humans. When Nick interrupts and asks, Monroe gets the point and doesn't go further with the story.
Now, if you think about what Monroe just related, you could look at him as a "bad" wesen. After all, he doesn't show any remorse or regret over the people he murdered for food. In fact, he remembers the hunts with fondness. Because Grimm has never defined good or bad, we just don't know. So Marie's comment was just another oddity in Grimm that has never been clarified.
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