09-09-2015, 09:29 AM
09-09-2015, 10:07 AM
Greetings Grimm Fans,
The Merriam-Webster online defines hypocrite as: A person who claims or pretends to have certain beliefs about what is right but who behaves in a way that disagrees with those beliefs. Full Definition of HYPOCRITE 1. A person who puts on a false appearance of virtue or religion. 2. A person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings. Eric provides a good hypocrisy example of the family values politician who keeps a mistress. This thread poses “Is Juliette a hypocrite?” It has expanded to include Nick and has focused on the love they had for each other. A hypocrite who claims to love someone behaves in a contrary manner. From 1st Corinthians 13:7 comes the verse often read at weddings, “Love bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things. Love never ends.” In the four seasons of Grimm, Juliette and Nick many times said to each other “I love you.” The calamities they faced put their love to the test. IMHO, based on their decisions and behaviors both of them repeatedly violated their “love” and betrayed their “trust.” During the final scenes of 4.22 “Cry Havoc” we hear: Juliette: “You can't put me out of your misery, huh? I hope you're not going to tell me you're still in love with me.” Nick : “Get out.” Juliette: “After everything I've done for you, you think that's how we're gonna end it? You should have killed me when you had the chance.” Nick: “I'm done fighting, Juliette.” Juliette: “Maybe I still love you. Maybe that's something that just never goes away.” Nick: “I'm done.” Juliette: “I know. I wish I was. Good-bye, Nick.” Trubel: “Good-bye, Juliette.” [crossbow fires] [growls] [gasping] Nick: “ No. No. No, Juliette.” Juliette {gasping, moaning]: “Nick.” Nick: “Juliette, no. [crying] No, no.” IMHO as Juliette dies in Nick’s arms I do not see any reconciliation. Neither says “I love you.” I see anguish and a tragic end to Juliette. I see Nick devastated by the irrevocable loss of his mother and the woman he loved and wanted to marry. New Guy
09-09-2015, 10:52 AM
(09-09-2015, 10:07 AM)New Guy Wrote: Greetings Grimm Fans, I think while it was a physical death of Juliette it was also the metaphorical death of Nick and Juliette's relationship. It's been a long time coming and for the whole latter part of season 4 you see all the cracks that were showing from the pilot to the present not only show but become gaping chasms. All the resentment, trust issues and roadblocks that got in their way all materialized in the present emotionally and the scene that you posted are of two people who maybe love each other so much it hurts but they are no longer in love and they both loose a part of themselves in that end.
09-09-2015, 12:19 PM
(09-09-2015, 09:29 AM)Hexenadler Wrote:Yes, Hexender, it is bleak. Love doesn't just there sit like a little puppy all frisky and happy. It is more like a delicate flower, which if you have it, you must protect and shelter. It can survive all kinds of problems, if you are willing to work hard at it. Hollywood has made a fortune on the fantasy you can meet some one on Saturday, all in love and live happily ever after. If it was that easy, the divorce rate would not be close to 50%. IMHO, based on experience.(09-09-2015, 07:45 AM)eric Wrote: Love is a feeling, an emotion, a state of mind that can be change with time and circumstance.
09-09-2015, 01:12 PM
(09-09-2015, 12:19 PM)eric Wrote:Hello You All,(09-09-2015, 09:29 AM)Hexenadler Wrote:Yes, Hexender, it is bleak. Love doesn't just there sit like a little puppy all frisky and happy. It is more like a delicate flower, which if you have it, you must protect and shelter. It can survive all kinds of problems, if you are willing to work hard at it. Hollywood has made a fortune on the fantasy you can meet some one on Saturday, all in love and live happily ever after. If it was that easy, the divorce rate would not be close to 50%. IMHO, based on experience.(09-09-2015, 07:45 AM)eric Wrote: Love is a feeling, an emotion, a state of mind that can be change with time and circumstance. Grimm is a TV show and subject to producers and writers. I know couples who have celebrated 60+ years of marriage and I see sparkles in their eyes when they are together. There is power in enduring love. I am sad to read that the Monrosalee ship is heading into choppy waters and hope they endure the trial and sail on together. New Guy
09-09-2015, 01:34 PM
New Guy, please do not take my opinion that love requires work to mean it is all work and no play. In my case, there were several hard patches, but we worked out the kinks and here we are after all these years. The writers have shown us how terribly wrong things can get without communication, keeping secrets, not trusting each other and not facing problems and working them out together. If you do it right you can Maybe they will take a more positive path with Monroe and Roselee. I hope things get brighter for someone in this show.
09-09-2015, 01:45 PM
(This post was last modified: 09-09-2015, 01:45 PM by Hexenadler.)
(09-09-2015, 12:19 PM)eric Wrote: Yes, Hexender, it is bleak. Love doesn't just there sit like a little puppy all frisky and happy. It is more like a delicate flower, which if you have it, you must protect and shelter. It can survive all kinds of problems, if you are willing to work hard at it. Hollywood has made a fortune on the fantasy you can meet some one on Saturday, all in love and live happily ever after. If it was that easy, the divorce rate would not be close to 50%. IMHO, based on experience. You're jumping from one extreme to another, with no recognition of any kind of middle ground. If anything, modern Hollywood has been working overtime to convince us that most relationships DON'T work out. That's not realism. That's just pessimism. Nick and Juliette's romance has survived an almost ridiculous number of obstacles, and to have it end this way is childishly cynical. (09-09-2015, 01:45 PM)Hexenadler Wrote:Hexenadier, I think love is a many splendid thing(for the younger crowd, a reference to a song from the middle of the last century. I am trying to say that lasting love requires effort, requires that sometimes you accept that it is not 50-50 but 150-zero. I believe that love will get you through times without money better than money will get you through times without love. If both sides cannot come together, love dies. When Juliette first woged, I thought "cool, they will be a great couple, working together to save the world". I expected conflict between them before it would be resolved, but not this way. Until the end I held out hope.(09-09-2015, 12:19 PM)eric Wrote: Yes, Hexender, it is bleak. Love doesn't just there sit like a little puppy all frisky and happy. It is more like a delicate flower, which if you have it, you must protect and shelter. It can survive all kinds of problems, if you are willing to work hard at it. Hollywood has made a fortune on the fantasy you can meet some one on Saturday, all in love and live happily ever after. If it was that easy, the divorce rate would not be close to 50%. IMHO, based on experience.
Going off topic for a time. I'm one who believe we each have a soulmate but I missed it (I did) we will always be looking for that connection and this will cause failure after failure in love. I found mine in 1962 but my mistake lost her in 1965 just say big goof (no I didn't cheat I been married more that once but have never cheated). After a time not their fault mine they were not that girl of 1962.
Now back the thread was Nick or Juliette both hypocrite's Aunt Marie was right he should have ended it in season one myself I didn't see them as soulmates. Was it possible as a debate they were soulmate as Nick not as Nick the Grimm? Could something like that change you soul so to speak? Just a thought? So would hypocrite apply? I always liked Teen Angle. Smile
09-10-2015, 07:02 AM
JS, in MNTBMFHO, there were two Nicks, Juliette spent three years with Nick 1 and spent seasons 1,2,3 and 4 adjusting to Nick 2. Nick 2 was not the one all her friends said was so great, they were so in love. Grimmness was not part of the original bargain. The nearest situation in real life would be to discover you are living with a Mafia hit man or a CIA type who starts getting attacked wherever you go. That new situation could change you attitude about the person you thought you knew.
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