01-23-2018, 04:55 AM
(This post was last modified: 01-23-2018, 06:21 AM by Henry of green.)
(01-21-2018, 08:50 PM)syscrash Wrote:Quote:Syscrash Assumptions, The truth of the matter is Juliette led Kelly into a death trap and cared little weather she lived of died and stacked every advantage in Kenneth's favour and made sure Kelly was unsuspecting of her ambush this is not assumption it’s fact. It matters little wether she knew 100 percent she would die ether way she’s a conspirator in Murder.That would only be true if we where talking about people. You are trying to look at events and using how you see it to make an assumption. The point is your view has noting to do with what the writers wrote. The bottom line is the writes wrote the line for Juliette I did not know. She could have been holding the gun. But with the writers writing the line then their intent is she did not know. You can't use your opinion to argue that what the writers say is a lie. Grimm is a scripted show. If the writers say the sky is green then the sky is green. That is the point you don't get. You keep trying to frame it as one viewers opinion against another. our opinion does not matter. The only thing that matters is what the writer write.
Quote:It’s your assumption that Juliette couldn’t kill Adalind the show showed she would by dropping a gargoyle directly on her head if it wasn’t for the guards quick reactions she’d be died. Eve told Trubel in season 5 Juliette would have definitely murderd her and nick so it really is a stretch for you to claim she wouldn’t murder her arch enemy.If Juliette could have killed Adalind she would have. Do you really think the statue missed because Juliette of Juliette accuracy. The same with the knives. Do you really think the miss was because of bad aim. The writers where making a point that Juliette did not have it in her to kill Adalind. If thee was any doubt the writers had Juliette provide narrative stating that she feels she is losing herself. It is just like shooting at monroe. Had they intended for Juliette to shot monroe she would have shot monroe. That fact that they had the shot wait till Monroe was out of the way. Indicts they wanted to project the impression that had she wanted to she could have shot Monroe.
Quote:Syscrash, for someone who insists the characters are equivalent to stick figures acting out the writers’ story, you’ve offered up some rather hardy arguments that Kelly’s death was Adalind’s fault. As much as I appreciate the benefit of new insight, this isn't new and you really don’t need to continue explaining how the show works. The same issues have been discussed over and over, despite knowing the writers simply wanted to move their characters around their constructed sets.I still argue that is the writers intent. Unlike with Juliette. They give Adalind direct knowledge of how Kenneth deals with people. The writers provide narrative for the fear Adalind feels of what Kenneth would do. The writers also have Adalind take action to use violence to try and capture Juliette.
When it comes to Juliette they do not give her direct or indirect knowledge of Kenneth. Juliette is not directly involved in any violent acts. You can draw all kind of assumptions based on the actions and response of what a reasonable person would do. But that has nothing to do with the perception the writers are putting forth.
Quote:It's extremely unlikely that Adalind ever believed the royals would take her with Diana (I'm pretty sure she actually said that to Renard), so it's likely that she was either hoping Renard would provide her and Diana with protection or planning to go on the run with Diana herself (Adalind was never very good at long term planning).The writers had the king inform Adalind that he forgave her and was still under his protection. But remember they had Kenneth beat up Sean long before he got the kings permission. They then showed Kenneth getting permission after the fact. All of that established the perception that go against Kenneth you could be in danger.
But the writers did show that Adalind got the Kings protection by saying the baby was Victors. What we don';t know is would Adalind still have the kings protection knowing the baby was Nicks. But given the way they wrote the reveal between Kenneth and Adalind. The writers did not give the impression that Nick being the father was a good thing. But they also did not make it a death sentience. The showed Kenneth was more concerned that Nick was a Grimm again.
Syscrash,the statue didn’t miss Adalind it landed directly on her only a guard pushed her out of the way, she 100 percent wanted Adalind dead in that moment then she came to her senses realized what she’d done and ran away but in that moment she was trying to end Adalinds life and would have if not for the guard.
Juliette planned to have Kelly ambushed these events were all in the script as was her giving Kelly false information via email , saying that the house was safe a place for kelly to go . She give kennth advice about how dangerous Kelly was and not to underestimate Kelly, then she outright lies to Kelly saying the house is safe come on in I’m upstairs,when in reality Kenneth is downstairs with a load of armed verat preparing to attack an unsespecting Kelly, Juliette hears Kellys moans of pain downstairs hears Kenneth say lets take this outside and sits upstairs and does nothing, Juliette is an accessory to murder that is fact, everything I stated above is in the script and shown onscreen. It matters little wether she definitely knew Kelly would be murderd or not all the matters is she willingly led Kelly to her death and didn’t care wether she lived or died as long as she got revenge on Nick and Adalind as she didn’t care wether her nieghbours lived or died. These are facts but you will probably ingnore tham as they don’t suit you version of events.