(09-17-2017, 10:58 AM)Robyn Wrote:Quote:That's what hexenbiests do. It's actually in the book. They attach themselves to royalty and serve them with great loyalty. In Adalind's case, the role of "royalty" is filled by anyone who is willing to protect and support her.I’m not disagreeing with that, actually, I’m agreeing with it. Adalind’s love/loyalty for Nick isn’t automatically different than her love/loyalty for anyone she’s embedded with at a given time. Moving forward with that perspective, it could be that Juliette/Eve, the Hexenbiest, was loyal to Nick and the gang again because HW was no longer an option for her.
Quote:When did that happen? The first time Adalind contacted Renard after he and her mother rejected her, it was to threaten his life if he didn't get Nick's key. She went back to him with baby Diana because she thought Nick would sooner kill her than shelter her and she figured she could use their daughter to gain his protection. When Renard called her on the phone in S05 to tell her he might have a way to get Diana back, she answered him with the same ton of voice she'd use to declare that she'd stepped in something smelly. The only time she was remotely agreeable toward him was in the presence of their daughter. The one exception to that was when she was trying to keep him from going into his closet where Monroe was hiding, and it took him about five seconds to ask her why she was being so nice to him.Adalind was in love with, or what she identified as love, with Renard in the pilot episode. Despite his lack of tenderness or respect, she continued to jeopardize her wellbeing for him until he rejected her and shut her out of his life to form an alliance with the Grimm. Then she shifted her loyalty to the Royals.
Quote:Adalind wasn't even a full-fledged villain; she was a minion. She started out as Renard's version of Harley Quinn, then became a messenger for Eric and Viktor, characters who couldn't reasonably be shown establishing a regular presence in Portland.I agree. Adalind was never in control of her life, whether with Renard, the Royals, the Resistance, BC, or Nick.
Quote:Yes. One of the hexenbiest's characteristics is loyalty. It was documented in the books. I guess that only lasted as long as those they were loyal to didn’t betray them. Adalind's feelings for Renard died right after that awful scene in her mother's house when both mother and lover rejected her. She hasn't genuinely liked him since before then. She's used him to conceive Diana, wanted his protection from Nick and his mother but not for love or anything close to it.But Nick was only willing to protect Adalind and his child. That he protected her and didn't take the baby is reason for gratitude and loyalty but not love that requires her to permanently give up her first child. Nick never approached the subject of Diana being taken by the Royals and Adalind’s feeling about her being taken a second time, nor did Adalind bring it up to the man she’s supposedly in love with. I don’t recall her mentioning Diana to Nick until after she learned that Meisner took her from the Royals, and even then she didn’t push the subject.
After what happened with Diana, Adalind never looked back. Between an actual enemy (Nick) and at best, an ally (Sean), Renard continued to prove why he was not trustworthy, forget being loyal to him. Nick in a similar situation, opted to protect her and his child by not separating them and actually took them under his wing, something Renard had failed to do.
It's no wonder Adalind fell for Nick.
Quote:I agree with almost everything you said except for the above. Any warmth Adalind had for Renard came to a halt after he abandoned her. What little interaction they had before Diana was mutual distaste but with a sexual relationship that was more about using one another and nothing else. Diana was an opportunity for them to mend fences since Adalind herself had an about turn after her birth, she was willing to align herself once more with Renard but I doubt it was out of love for him, romantic or otherwise.The span of time required to wake up and smell the coffee depends on the individual. I was expecting Adalind to realize Renard wouldn’t insist she have sex with Hank if he had any feelings for her, and turn against him because he was using her to achieve a goal he had no intention of sharing with her. But she didn’t until Renard forced her out of his life.
Adalind went to Renard with Diana because she considered him the best of two bad choices. But. Given Adalind’s history and her future progression with Nick, it’s reasonable that Adalind would have returned to loving and being loyal to Renard had the possibility for an actual relationship occurred instead of him betraying her again.
Quote:I remember how upset I got when she showed up in S2. I couldn't understand it. She was so far down the pecking order and I was asking myself why in the world I was "forced" to watch her. You get people who say that love to hate certain villainous characters, well I plainly hated her. It's only now that I finally understand the writer's fascination with someone who was technically so insignificant and I can say I am glad they kept her around.I didn’t hate Adalind but was extremely disappointed in her evolution. I expected her to turn on Renard and help the Grimm, then blackmail Renard with revealing his true identity if he retaliated. But instead she fled in tears like a prom queen stripped of her crown. Then after Diana was taken, I expected Adalind to rain down a terror on Nick and his friends that made Hexenbiest Juliette’s escapades look like a practice drill. But she got pregnant by Nick instead and became the queen of wimp.
Although I think it was happenstance instead of planned, the most interesting part of Adalind’s story for me is the ironic twist of having a baby she didn’t want because she was desperate to be a Hexenbiest, only for her love for the child to make being a Hexenbiest unwanted and disliked.
She believed the Royals had Diana and without any resources of her own, it would be impossible to get her back. And without establishing a close relationship with Nick, she had no leverage to guarantee he would go looking for her daughter after he lost his mother. Kelly was rightfully his priority unless she opted to guilt him into going after the Royals to get Diana back. Once she knew what happened, only then did she have courage to ask him despite their tentative relationship. They were no longer live by happily together because the writers purposeful inserted mistrust in their relationship. Things obviously change. By the end of S6, Nick not only wants Adalind and Kelly in his life, he also names Diana specifically to show the progression of the depth of his feelings for his unconventional family.
She never gave up her daughter in order to love Nick. But she did leave Nick for Diana. Fortunately for her it was temporary. She didn't think she'd ever have both. When that was a possibility, she worked towards achieving it.
Without Renard showing growth of character where relationships were concerned, Adalind would have been foolish to fall in love once more with someone that continued to exhibit open disdain towards her except as nothing more than a warm body to keep him warm at night. And not since S1 has Adalind even hinted at being played by Renard's compliant behavior every now and then. They allied temporarily but by his own actions, he destroyed what little connection they had on which they could have built a long lasting, FWB relationship but never genuine love, especially when he, himself, showed no real interest.
I am the opposite. I love her evolution. It's not perfect, I long made my peace that nothing ever really is. Parts of the story are disappointing, like her botched characterisation but I loved most of it, similarly to Nick as a character. He's not perfect but I love him.
Objectively, I wouldn't be all that mad if Adalind had reigned terror over Nick, Renard and the scoobies for taking Diana away. It was expected but Claire Coffee fell pregnant and gave the writers an idea and the rest is history.