(06-19-2017, 07:28 AM)Hell Rell Wrote:Hello Hell,(06-18-2017, 05:02 PM)New Guy Wrote:(06-18-2017, 03:16 PM)dicappatore Wrote:Agree. It is sad.(06-18-2017, 03:03 PM)New Guy Wrote: Hello Hell,
It is easy to read the data about marriage and society. In education, finance, and crime, marriage matters. Children are particularly affected by marital status of parents:
http://www.usccb.org/issues-and-action/m...ildren.cfm
IMO, Juliette was not able to take marital vows. She did not love him. She made no commitment to him. Nick bought a ring and proposed. She spurned him.
N G
Here is a non-scientific observation.
When I was in grade school. Way back in the 60’s. Having a classmate with divorced parents was rare. Maybe one or two in a class.
When my kids were in grade school back in the late 90’s & early 2K, classmate of theirs with their non-divorced parents was uncommon. More of their classmates had divorced parents than non-divorced. Maybe 50 to 60%. As a society, whatever we are doing is not working well..
That doesn't mean what we as a society were doing before was working. More divorces today just tells me that they were plenty of unhappy marriages but they felt forced to stay together.
Juliette saying no to marriage doesn't mean there is no love. That just means it wasn't the right time. Juliette turning Nick's proposal down had as much to do with him as it did with her. He was was essentially lying to her face every day. Their relationship was doomed but that doesn't erase the love that was there. Living together and being faithful for years is a huge commitment.
This doesn't excuse anything Juliette did in season 4. The "Hexenbiest made me do it' defense is a bunch of a crap and I thought the same thing when Adalind said it but their relationship prior to that was still meaningful. That just made the betrayal that much more difficult to watch.
You made several claims and I will rebut a few:
Quote:That doesn't mean what we as a society were doing before was working. More divorces today just tells me that they were plenty of unhappy marriages but they felt forced to stay together.The increased divorce rate could reflect a lack of commitment. If a couple takes marriage vows till death they do part, then divorce is similar legally to death. IMO, being unhappy is a pathetic excuse to divorce. "Most folks are about as happy as they make up their minds to be. - Abraham Lincoln"
Quote:He was was essentially lying to her face every day.Nick wanted to protect her and thought she would not handle revelation of Wesen. He was correct. When he "came clean" she flipped out, thought he needed help and broke down in tears.
Quote:Living together and being faithful for years is a huge commitment.I agree, Nick was committed. He loved her, bought a ring and proposed. She feigned love traded sexual gratification for free rent and to parade him around as her stud-muffin. A committed person does not betray your mother, burn your trailer and centuries old family heirlooms. A committed person does not walk out on you and fornicate your boss. She does not fornicate a criminal in your bed and listen while he brutally murders and decapitates your mother.
Quote:This doesn't excuse anything Juliette did in season 4. The "Hexenbiest made me do it' defense is a bunch of a crap and I thought the same thing when Adalind said it but their relationship prior to that was still meaningful. That just made the betrayal that much more difficult to watch.I agree the "Hexenbiest made me do it' defense is a bunch of a crap. She did them as Juliette, regardless of the hexen, so those actions prove she had no love, no commitment, no morals and no ethics.
Best!
N G