(12-02-2016, 05:29 AM)Adriano Neres Rodrigues Wrote: Irukandji,
I don’t know The Crucible, but I will search for it. I got interested.
About Eve, I believe (and I am talking about personal believing) that for redemption (and self-forgiveness) it is necessarily first to recognize that there is a mistake (or a sin) that need to be forgiven. I don’t think that is Eve’s case. She never accept she did anything wrong. When talking to nick she said “Juliette did”, not she (considering Nick’s mother death and all the events on season 4). I would say Eve is more in denial than in repentance.
NOTE: I am not judging Juliette’s action. I am just saying that for me if forgiveness is necessary, it is necessary first a repentance. If Juliette is not guilty of anything there is no need for forgiveness. If Eve doesn’t accept she did anything (she acts as Juliette is another person) then there is no way for forgiveness. Again, this is my way of view things; it is not a fundamental truth of the universe.
I think Eve's backstory is much more complex and will never be shared with the audience, Adriano. On the other hand, I could be wrong and it could all come out in season six, who knows? In any case, I don't see her as a character who's simply been given the decision of becoming someone else and jumping at the chance. It just doesn't work that way.
I was thinking about Meisner's statement to Juliette:
"You're dead, but you don't have to stay that way."
What if Juliette replied by saying, "kiss my uber hexenbiest rear and go to hell, Meisner. I'm not doing anything you say."
Would Meisner have shrugged his shoulders, undid her restraints, freed her, and then wished her happy trails? Hardly.
I think his statement to her was an ominous one. If she didn't comply with HW, she was dead meat. She was already dead to Nick and the gang. Meisner just promised her it'd be for real this time.
(12-02-2016, 05:29 AM)Adriano Neres Rodrigues Wrote: Now, you talked about Eve giving up her name. Correct me if I wrong, but are you talking about the fact she changed her name from Juliette to Eve? Do you think it can be a metaphor for something else that is not only She is a new person?
I don't think Juliette took the name of Eve or made the conscious decision to become a new person. I think Eve was Meisner's idea, not Juliette's. He told her that she would learn to control her rage *if* she survived. Could she be made to control her rage through the use of torture? Could torture program her into believing herself as Eve? Why not? The Inquisition got people to confess to beliefs that were completely false, just so they'd stop the torture.
Suppose Juliette succombed to the torture and was forced to became Eve so the torture would stop. It could be the reason why, when she was asked about Juliette, she replied she wasn't "going there". I'm paraphrasing, but you get the point. Any remorse, any regret, any feelings over what she'd done that night at Nick's would never be explored because they belong to Juliette. As Eve, she was forced into staying away from those memories.
I'm by no means excusing Juliette for what she did that night. I'm just saying that as Eve, she may not be capable of seeking forgiveness or forgiving herself.
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