Quote:Alright, let me try understand this...I am not making a judgement on how actions are dealt with on the show. My statement addresses the fact that grudges are never dealt with on the show. Right or wrong that is how it is.
Lets put killing Nicks mum, and trying to kill Nicks Baby as part of the grudges.
Then lets say in S6, both Nick and Juliette get back together and fall in love all over again.
This means that in the future if one of them annoys the other, they are allowed to take thier past for granted? it will be alright to go on a family killing spree, knowing that after a few months they will forgive each other once again and continue lack of integrity, shame, being cold hearted, irresponsible life.
And all this will be super alright. Big Grin
My statement is in response to people thinking Juliette should be held responsible for her actions. That Nick should consider Juliette past actions on decisions about his current situation. Right or wrong this has never been the case for anyone else actions, so why would Juliette be any different.
Quote:syscrash Wrote:You are right Trust is something that is earned over time. When season five started Nick and Adalind did seem to be building a sense of trust.
also all of the statement you sighted where said before she got her powers back. Once she got her powers back which was when he returned from Germany. Every thing was different. He did not even let her know he was back. lied about when he got back lied about the trip. What ever they had before he left was gone once he got back.
I am a bit lost on what you meant here but...
if it has to do on trust aspect, its a gradual step, thier relationship is building maturely. At least they still shared their secrets.
Regarding the Stick, I believe they decided to keep it secret because they did not know what it really does. The less people knew about it the better, maybe later he would have told her. I found that normal.
I was pointing out after Nick got back the trust that was building stopped. Adalind had a reason she had her powers back, that could be why she changed. Nick did not know she had them back, so what caused him to change. Why did he lie about stopping at the spice shop. Before he left he did not act that way. From there it was one lie after another. I can only imagine it was the show building for the break.
Quote:Hi Purity,
Belated, but Welcome to Forum!
I enjoy the way you call it as you see it.
As a "what if" example of this grudge/forgiveness discussion consider this updated situation from the confrontation in the PPD Precinct (4.19 Iron Hans):
Adalind is holding baby Kelly and walking down the Precinct hall with Nick. Kelly says Da Da to him for the first time. Nick is glowing with pride.
FrankenEve with season 4 memories and emotions fully restored bursts on the scene. She calls out "I've been looking for you, Bitch!" Nick pleads "Juliette, No!" She glares at him while woging, screeching "and your bastard." She explodes Kelly's head turns Adalind into stone. She does her wrist flip freezing time (except for her) and walks off.
Will Nick have a grudge? Will he blame himself? Will he accept her explaining that "Juliette did that, I am Eve" and forgive her?
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It does not matter how you paint the picture. The mechanics of the show does not have the characters holding grudges. You are trying to see it based on a logical reasonable response. This is a show where the mechanics not logic drives the action. To keep this position from being utterly ridicules. The show always gives the characters plausible denial in their actions. It is this plausible denial the we argue about. You only see the event, and not the writer intent. Then intent a lot of times contradicts the visuals shown in the event. That is why the quick narratives in the after the event are so important. It is these narratives that are intended to provide the characters with a way out.
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