05-12-2016, 09:26 AM
(05-12-2016, 08:54 AM)New Guy Wrote:(05-12-2016, 05:22 AM)irukandji Wrote:Iruk,(05-12-2016, 04:33 AM)New Guy Wrote: You made some reasonable points in your dissertation however I cannot find where you provide any example of a felonious act committed by Nick or Hank against Hexenette. A felonious act and a conviction of such a felony are two very different things. I have requested the act, not the convicted act. IMO, even Wu has committed felonious acts. So it should be easy for you to reply to my request. I do not expect an exhaustive list, but surely you can provide a few to support your position.
New Guy
Hi New Guy-
Let me take an act that you brought up earlier, the burning of the trailer, as an example. I'll even use your words:
For example, in 4.19 Hexenette broke into Nick's trailer and set it on fire, so she is guilty of arson, a felony under Kershite law:
Your statement is a prejudicial one because you have already determined Juliette committed arson under the law. In order for this to be a felony, she has to be charged with the crime of arson, the arson has to be categorized as a felony, and she must be convicted of felony arson.
Labeling it a felonious act it still prejudging the act as a felony. All you've done is made the word an adjective. The basis of Kershite law is that a man is innocent until proven guilty. Juliette was never even charged.
The other thing that's being overlooked here is the verdict, which you are naturally assuming is felony arson. That implies a fire marshall has conclusively proven arson, that Juliette committed the arson, and the jury leveled a verdict of felony arson. That doesn't always happen. What if the jury says with the evidence found, they are reducing sentence to misdemeanor destruction of property? After all, Nick had his trailer in the forest, he wasn't living in it, and no one was in it when it was burned. I wonder if he even registered it in his name as owner or if it was still in Marie's name. Nick was rather sloppy about getting his affairs in order.
If the jury determined the evidence related more to a midemeanor, then it would not be a felony. Juliette would be guilty of a misdemeanor. So I'm still back to where I was last night. No one has committed a felony in the series because no one has been convicted of a felony. That is Kershite law.
ETA: I did exactly the same thing not long ago when I said Adalind used the spell to cause great boldily harm to Nick and so it was first degree assault. She would no more be guilty of that than Juliette because she was never charged and convicted with assault.
I totally disagree. Guilt may be determined by a jury however such is not required:
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/guilt
Quote:Hexenette is guilty of arson. The fact that she set the fire intentionally is irrefutable. If she confessed to police, she is arrested, eventually arraigned and if she pleads guilty there is no trial. Regardless, it is a fact she committed a breach of conduct that violates law and involves a penalty. This is the Grimm show and Nick must be judge and jury. From NBC recap: . . .Juliette calls Nick and tells him he might want to stop by the trailer. (her guilt confession) Nick, echoing all of us, asks, "What have you done?" (his confirmation of her guilt)
Full Definition of guilt
1 : the fact of having committed a breach of conduct especially violating law and involving a penalty; broadly : guilty conduct
2 a : the state of one who has committed an offense especially consciously b : feelings of culpability especially for imagined offenses or from a sense of inadequacy : self-reproach
3 : a feeling of culpability for offenses
Arson is a felony in Oregon:
http://www.oregonlaws.org/ors/164.325
I stand to the veracity of my statement:
In 4.19 Hexenette broke into Nick's trailer and set it on fire, so she is guilty of arson, a felony under Kershite law.
I find it rather offensive that you accuse me of "prejudice" for presenting simple facts. I have commented before, and shall repeat that "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts."
You have failed to produce any factual evidence to show how Hexenette did not set fire to Nick's trailer.
New Guy
guys you know what if we really wanted law and order, we just have to start watching the show and not incorporating it in grimm and start a debate on it.
juliette torched the trailer and assisted in kelly's death..... yes so has
hank has literally killed someone; so has nick even more than any1 and has dumped their body
renard too and adalind too has killed more than any1- so if you want to be issuing death penalties- literally every1 needs to be killed.
monroe too has killed people even more than eve/juliette