05-12-2016, 04:33 AM
(05-11-2016, 07:38 PM)irukandji Wrote: Hello New Guy-Hi Iruk,
You made reference to my quote:
Quote:On top of the multitude of charges she could file against Hank and Nick
You then wrote:
Quote:So just to get the facts straight, please provide a list of felonies Nick and Hank committed where Hexenette could 1. file charges and 2. could go to trial with a guilty verdict. You can list all arson, assault (felonious), attempted murder and murder crimes.
The Forum Posters that see Hexenette as a violent felon can do the same for Juliette/Hexenette/FrankenEve (JHF).
To make the task easier, there is a list of "deaths" at:
http://grimm.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_Deaths
If you wish to simplify, the task the lists could be only felony crimes against JHF committed by Nick and/or Hank.
When I asked if this was in regard to the spice shop, you then responded with this:
Quote:Hi Iruk,
You can construct your list as you wish, just name the "actionable felonies" with identifiable evidence of guilt. Just be specific regarding the episode, crime scene and evidence you want to present.
The spice shop scene may not be a good choice since I do not recall any potential felonies committed against Hexenette. You can use Kershite or Vesen/Grimm standards, but identify your basis for verdict.
For example, in 4.19 Hexenette broke into Nick's trailer and set it on fire, so she is guilty of arson, a felony under Kershite law:
http://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-charges/arson.html
Your turn.
New Guy
Now to be fair, I want to point out that my quote was in response to a post tscchope made *and* it pertained to the spice shop. The quote and my response follow:
Quote:tscchope Wrote:
Juliettenbiest forced Nick to shot at Monroe. You can chalk up another attempted murder on Juliettenbiest's charge sheet.
Quote:I wrote:
On top of the multitude of charges she could file against Hank and Nick.
Now, I think I know what you're about to say: Irukandji's changing things around as usual. I'm not. I was specifically referencing the spice shop.
In response to your question about felonies and verdicts in general, a felony is determined by the judicial system. In order to even have it investigated, charges must be filed. As far as I know, Nick has never filed charges against Juliette for torching the trailer. Monroe and Rosalee never filed charges against her for assault, or, as tscchope stated earlier, destruction of property.
In turn, Juliette has never filed charges against Hank, Nick, Monroe, and Rosalee for coercion. They did try to get her to drink a substance they claimed would "help" her, but provided no clear explanation of what they were giving her. When she said she liked who she was and it was apparent she was going to refuse, Nick said they (meaning the scoobies, I presume) did not like what she was, which could be taken as a threat. Juliette also made the assumption Adalind took the substance and said as much, but none of the scoobies would confirm that.
Juliette could lodge a complaint against the Portland police for not clarifying their position in the spice shop. Were Nick and Hank acting as on duty policemen, assigned to the spice shop to protect Rosalee and Hank? If they were assigned to protect Monroe and Rosalee, they never explained the charges against Juliette that would cause them to be assigned as protection.
Were Nick and Hank acting under their own authority? If acting under their own authority, "helping" her to drink the potion, were they correct in using deadly force to "help" her? As "helpers" were they even allowed to bring their firearms into the shop?
Because no charges have been filed by either side, we can't say felonies were committed because not one person has been convicted of a felony. Juliette hasn't even been convicted of misdemeanor assault. Her bail was paid and she never ever did make it to court.
Many people here believe that Juliette was the sole force in manipulating and contributing to the circumstances that caused so much chaos. She did her fair share, but in point of fact, she wasn't alone. Not by a long shot.
You made some reasonable points in your dissertation however I cannot find where you provide any example of a felonious act committed by Nick or Hank against Hexenette. A felonious act and a conviction of such a felony are two very different things. I have requested the act, not the convicted act. IMO, even Wu has committed felonious acts. So it should be easy for you to reply to my request. I do not expect an exhaustive list, but surely you can provide a few to support your position.
New Guy