03-03-2016, 10:31 AM
(03-03-2016, 09:26 AM)Adriano Neres Rodrigues Wrote:(03-03-2016, 08:57 AM)speakeasy Wrote: Because they murdered (to instill fear) a shop owner during the Wesen Naucht, are out to eliminate Grimms (that may need some fact checking), they assassinated the Wesen Council illegally, and their real goal is to establish Wesen rule, to name a few. If this were a movement which was solely to claim the right to live as themselves publicly, then I would support it. Until that is shown to be the primary reason for this war, then those reasons listed above are what I base my opinion on.
HW is no gathering of angels. Secret ops and dirty tricks and even worse crimes against humanity can be laid at their door. Just as I've stated before, they appear to be the lesser of two evils. If it were to surface that they intend to annihilate all wesen, 'for the greater good', then all bets are off. Nick would never go along with that. A threat by one group to sieze the power to decide for the rest is a threat to liberty.
Hi speakeasy…
Thanks for your post. First I would like to say that I agree with your opinion. But sometimes I like to try to look in other directions trying to see new things.
For example, correct me if I am wrong… but If my memories are correct… Eve was the one who said BC wants to rule the world. From BC members I have just listen that they want freedom to live as wesen. Do you remember a scene where a BC member says something different?
How can Nick be sure that HW is telling the truth about BC objectives?
In another post I acknowledged that it was Eve who said that the goal of the BC was to install wesen rule, and I don't trust her either. Doesn't mean she can't make accurate statements, though, only that we must not take them a face value. In this case, when I put it together with other things about BC, I choose to believe her. That's one example.
Secondly, I am using my own interpretation of the assassination of the emergency gathering of the Wesen Council. De Groot said that the uprisers were growing in power all over the globe and this was war. The Code of Swabia states that wesen are forbidden to use their wesen side to take advantage of, harm, or kill, kehresite. That's why the BC murdered the WC members, to nullify that wesen law. I interpret that to qualify as an act of war against all non-wesen.
Thirdly, the intimidation of Xavier into drawing Monroe into a lethal trap set by the BC to use him as an example of what would happen to wesen who befriend Grimms did it for me. BC doesn't want wesen interacting peaceably with Grimms, period. They haven't shown any activity demonstrating a willingness to cooperate with kehrsiete that I can recall, they are after an overthrow, imo. So, no, I haven't heard a member of Black Claw state the group aims at replacing existing systems of governance with BC rule, but their actions speak to me that way. It's a funny thing with uprisings, they have layers. Those on the top layer usually have an agenda that is behind the more obvious grievances of those who constitute the larger second tier.
I also enjoy the back and forth of opinions, Adriano, and I shouldn't bring it up again, but even though I don't have such a stellar record of the accuracy of my ideas, I never shut up anyway.
"The only thing that will redeem mankind is cooperation." Bertrand Russell - printed on a beer mat in "Shaun of The Dead".