06-13-2015, 05:35 PM
(06-13-2015, 09:39 AM)irukandji Wrote:(06-13-2015, 08:15 AM)Adriano Neres Rodrigues Wrote: You believe Juliette is still human. I do too. But does Monroe? Does Rosale? Does Sean? Doesn't matter if this it or not fair. I can't see they accepting her eassyly.
My point is: What is the consequences of what happend in seasson 4 for them in seasson 5.
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[quote='Adriano Neres Rodrigues' pid='14076' dateline='1434208506']
As i said. this logic you put was my starting point for my prior post. I am considering Juliette someone that are still human. The direction I wanted to give to the discution was not what we think about her (or about Nick). But what the others characteres think about them and how they would react to them in seasson 5.
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[quote='Adriano Neres Rodrigues' pid='14076' dateline='1434208506']
Again, just trying to have new perspectives in this subject, she wants to live among the people she knew so well. But would they wanted that too? If no, wouldn't that bring more suffering to the humanity inside Juliette?
That is the reason of my question: In the end, thinking about consequencies (not in our desires or the characteres desires...) Wouldn't her death ended up been some freedon to the humanity in her?
I put these quotes together because they all point toward your question. Which, by the way, is a very good question. Also, thank you for the clarification. I wanted to make sure I was on the right path here.
I'll begin with Monroe and Rosalee. Monroe is among my favorites because he actually looked past the Grimm in Nick and saw the human. Every once in a while someone says something about the show that gets me to really thinking. I credit one of those somethings to Hexenadler. The comment was that the show is about acceptance. There were some sound boos on that because, after all, this is Grimm. But it stuck with me, and Hexenadler is correct. While it doesn't happen often, there are examples of unprejudiced acceptance. One of the biggest examples of that occurred with Monroe.
He is among my favorite characters in Grimm because of something he did at the very beginning. He looked past the Grimm in Nick and saw the human in him. Top 10 Grimm moment in my opinion. And so they became friends and colleagues. It's obvious from the scene that Nick was reluctant to take the same tactic. Had Monroe not taken that first step, the outcome of the program would have been a different one.
So back to Juliette. Monroe knows the difficulties involved in dealing with wesen, from dealing with his own wesen side to being targeted by other wesen. Part of that is due to his friendship with Nick. And Nick himself isn't always the friend he could be. I know Monroe has to woge from time to time so Nick can prove to people that there are wesen out there. But I always find things like that degrading. Monroe isn't a dog and pony show for Nick to command simply in order to prove his point.
Rosalie came on to the scene and was attracted to Monroe right away and vice versa. This, despite the fact that she is a different species of wesen. Generally speaking, regardless of who comes through the spice shop door, she helps them. She also has befriended Nick and with his assistance, has helped some of the wesen who don't mean to hurt anyone. Without prejudice even though it might go against her very nature.
Monroe and Rosalee go out of their way to help Nick, even if it's something on the not so noble side (like woging so he can prove they exist). We all believe that they're good people because they've proven it time and time again. We believe they're willing to look past the painfully obvious to find the real being underneath because they've done it so many times. So the answer to your question in my opinion? Yes, we have to believe they believe Juliette is still human because these are not some strangers on the street. They're Monroe and Rosalee, who practice acceptance. And Juliette was a good and kind friend, loyal to them even at risk to her own life.
That to me is why the spice shop scene or the preceding episodes before it involving Juliette's tranformation make no sense. Rosalee and Monroe would never give up on Juliette because she suddenly became aloof. Those two wouldn't have left her alone, period. After all they've seen, do you believe they really and truly would be so appalled at her to the extent they decided to distance themselves from her? I don't.
As for Sean, I actually give him a few snaps for this one. He tried to help her because he understood. And he came through for Juliette when she was in her coma. Would he blame her for the death of his father? I can't see that happening. It would be just as easy for him to blame Nick or Hank or Wu for that. I don't think he has any issues in deciding if she's still human or not. He knows she is.
If Juliette were to return and the series' writers decided none of these people could forgive her so she's the shunned one, it'll be a major blow to the show. I guarantee it. People may hate her, but they love Monroe, Rosalie, and Sean. It would be completely out of their character to shun Juliette.
That is why I really got mad about the writers this seasson. The character's actions are completely diferente from what they were suposed to do based on what they did on the prior 3 seassons. When I wrote "I can't see they accepting her eassyly.", it is exclussively based on seasson 4... because if we look back all seassons.... well, seasson 4 is out of the contexto... Actually this is my impression.
I will just not agree with you about Sean. I quoted him in the list, but I don't trust him. Actually, he is the one with his own agenda... and his agenda is over any friendship he has.
He would help Juliette, but if he had to choose her or his agenda... he would choose his agenda. And probably he would in same point use her in his plans. We must not forget that Sean ordered autn Mary death.... He put Adelaind in Nick's and Juliette's life in the first place ordering for the key... Because of Sean, Adelaind used a potion in Hank that almost kill Wu.
You posted about the Juliette's coma... I remember that Adelaind's mother asked him why he was helpping. He answered that without Juliette Nick would leave Portland... And he (Sean) need Nick there. So, Sean didn't help Juliette... He acted under his own agenda and what he could gain from that.