04-17-2015, 08:51 PM
(This post was last modified: 04-18-2015, 08:52 AM by Samsarilian.)
(04-17-2015, 07:55 PM)Giulianetta Wrote:(04-17-2015, 03:28 AM)Samsarilian Wrote:(04-16-2015, 09:16 PM)Giulianetta Wrote:(04-15-2015, 09:10 PM)Hexenadler Wrote:As I quoted in my original post, "Love is not love, which alters when it alteration finds." (Shakespeare? One of the Brownings?) if Nick really loved her, h e could learn to accept her although she has changed. If she didn't feel rejected by Nick, she wouldn't be going through this craziness, at least not so acutely. She also feels the change was foisted on her by Adalind. Adalind is a sloppy spell-caster; it seems as if anything she does has unintended consequences. Is it really possible for a normal human to become a Hexenbiest by accident? More likely Juliette has some Hexenbiests in her bloodline, and what Adalind did flipped the switch to turn that gene on. If Juliette found out that--say--her grandmother in Spain had been a Hexenbiest, she would find a sort of self-acceptance and just be the best Hexenbiest she could be, corny cliche--use her powers for good (mostly).(04-15-2015, 08:05 PM)Giulianetta Wrote: Nick can't stand to look at her. Her Hexenbiest face is a complete turnoff for him. Juliette can't accept Nick's protestations of love because Nick only really wants the old Juliette. She's better off with Renard because she can be accepted for what she is now.
I don't think so. This is a Juliette acting out in desperation, not love. I can see why she'd find Renard physically attractive, sure, but it's a relationship driven by lust, and those simply aren't built to last.
Besides, it's not as if she gave Nick a whole lot of time to adapt before she bolted out the door.
Also, I think there's always been something between Renard and Juliette. Who says it's just lust? Renard kissed the comatose Juliette reverently, not lustfully....
your theory about hexan blood is not only not supported but refuted by previous episodes. Rosalee said that "made hexanbeists are stronger and more deadly than born ones." She never mentioned that you had to have it through bloodlines and this was in responce to a question about normal women becoming Hexans.
The poetry does not fit either. Nick did not and has not rejected her. He reacted in shock. Then at a different time she WOGED and tried to force him to kiss her in that state. They have not shown many other marriages between Wessen and normals but I doubt that they woge into dogs and rats and expect their human mate to take them with passion. I did not see her do full on woge after removing her shirt and before grabbing Sean. This is a double stanard is it not? Nick the human has to kiss the beast but Sean the beast gets to kiss beauty? This does not make sense.
I used a soldier who has been burned in a previous post in this thread. She like the soldier has altered her self image and rejects anyone who does not alter theirs. Your peotry does more to support Nicks position than hers. "when it alteration finds"... does not say or even imply where or who it finds it in, one can find alterations in themselves. So did she not love Nick as per "Love is not love, which alters"?
That kiss was by a man under a potion, with a pure heart... That no longer applies. He has since ordered the death of his own BROTHER. A man who has slept around since. Who has broken rules that did not need to be broken. Pure heart gone. Sorry. Sean is quite literally a randy, lustful, bastard, who has proven to be much less than a friend. You do not sleep with your friends ex if he still has feelings for her. You do not sleep with your subordinates recent mate, ever. It leads to being fired if you work for government agencies. I have worked for the Treasury and USDA both made me read and fill out paperwork on sexual harassment policies before I was even considered hired. Having sex with someone working under you or their mate has been a big no no since at least 2000 when I filled out my first paperwork. Sean deserves to lose his job, his place with the resistance (that depended on his having a grimm) and everything else for his betrayal of Nick.
BTW the basis for magic is the deal/contract with god/s, the devel, djinn (trickster spirit) or nature spirits. Never expect them to interpret your deal the way you do. You use your third wish to wish for more wishes you find yourself back at the moment you first found/activated the lamp. Standard AD&D trick to handle that situation. You wish for riches and you get a whole vault full the Sultans private jewelry that everyone recognizes. This is a standard story set up found in several old books.
Have you heard of the seven fold law? It is taught by modern wiccans/mages, "what ever you do or put out into the world comes back to you seven fold seven times." Law of reward: That is if you use magic to help people for their sake you get good back 49 times the good you did. Law of retribution: If you harm people or seemingly do good but for selfish reasons you get harmed 49 times what you did. Between these two laws the law of reward and retribution it is almost impossible to do magic without back lash to ones self. You must do your magic with a pure heart and no thought of the rewards you get. Yet the seven fold law and its' two sub laws are among the first things a teacher in modern magic covers... for this very reason. Magic in legend (and from what modern practitioners have told me, I have studied meditation and meta-physics) is the most powerful and the trickiest thing in the world to play with. The advise of the SAGES was and is leave it alone.
I could not disagree more. You try to sound logical and then quote Wiccan concepts as though they were widely accepted ( they're not). Bear in mind, Cpt. Renard is not a government drone; he appears to rule his own fiefdom, has a lot of clout, what the Japanese call. "A broad face". He might report to the mayor, but hardly anyone else. If you've ever spent any time abroad, you will know that American regulations about not sleeping with subordinates or their partners is NOT a rule much followed in, say, Sweden. My husband has traveled widely and the stories he can tell! Renard has European attitudes toward love. Also, you make it sound as if Nick and Juliette were married. They're not, and for many good reasons. Juliette is not Nick's property in any respect--she broke up with him and is now free to seek another partner. I also feel your characterization of Cpt Renard is very unfair. He has many noble qualities; he's highly intelligent, thoughtful, an excellent leader. He didn't "sleep around", per se. He has only, as far as we've seen, had relations with his own kind, I.e., Hexenbiests, the female equivalent of Zauberbiests, and even then it was mostly serial monogamy...he had split with Katherine before taking up with Adalind, and he loved Adalind until she betrayed him. If someone is more a fan of Nick (pour ses beaux yeux bleus?) then just say so...these fine-spun theories that Sean is nothing but a sleazy villain don 't hold any water at all. Also, Eric was a very very bad guy, no question. In the words of Gilbert and Sullivan, "he'll never be missed." Although since we never saw a body, I've long suspected that it was a double who died, and Eric may yet pop up again like Jack-in-the-box.
Fiefdom.... an area in which loyalty is SWORN to an overlord who in turn SWEARS and oath to one above him. Not the case with Sean.
does not exist officially in the USA anywhere. is still used by CRIMINAL organizations here.
SEAN DOES work for the CITY of Portland. Making him subject to HIS SUPERIORS in the city. Who by common consent will assume as will the courts that a man living with and having sexual relations with a woman (for approx 4 to 6 years, 1 to 3 before the show opened and 3 Christmas shows)is her mate. I never used the word spouce nor do most government policies. AND will there fore fire their employee who violated said policy. I worked under those condition for to long to take them for granted. If you are not a lawyer or have not worked in a corporate or government job please listen to those who have. This show is set in the USA not Sweden or Japan. One of my favorite managers was fired for Sexual Harasment when he was the one seduced and the employee who did it said so. His superiors got wind of it when his wife divorced him and alleged the affair based on the amount of time the two spent together. The employee only admits to the affair happening after the divorce but before he was questioned at work about it. This was a corporate job not government but the government has even tighter rules at least on paper.
As for my assessment of Sean's private life. Even in Europe men typically avoid sleeping with the mate of a man who kills on a regular basis and knows how to hide the bodies. If I am free to sleep with my friends mate, sign me up for the next flight to Europe. I am fairly certain that the rules for friendship are not that different there than here. The last time I got involved with the girl friend of a man raised in Germany (about 10 years ago, and I did not sleep with her just had regular conversations in public places) he threatened my life and her's. She caught me later and asked me to not talk to her again, it was to dangerous. I figured he did something to her after they were alone because she told him in the first place she could talk to whoever she wanted.
Oh, and as for the acceptance of wiccan/mage laws... funny the town I live in has 5 wiccan/new age book stores, about the same bible stores, two text book stores (there is a JC in town) and not one book store left for books on general interests like sports (skiing, martial arts, football, kayaking, etc), gaming, computers, law, art, psychology, self-help, fictional or even children's literature. I guess Amazon is the modern bookstore for all that. I miss the news stand book store where there were magazines on Yachting, Cars, Airplanes, RC, Amateur Radio, sports, diving, vacation spots, photography... I miss the bookstores for novels where you could read a bit in it to see what the authors style was like. Now I have to go for 45 minutes down a highway to get to one. Well there is always the supermarket with People, Teen Beat, Guns and Ammo, and Wedding dress mags.
If I had something important to say, I would have mumbled it.