(12-01-2015, 06:19 PM)izzy Wrote:The show is making social commentary but is not what you stated. The biggest statement it is making is about prejudice and bias. Government corruption or over reach is not in the story. The show goes out of it's way to leave out authoritative oppression. Even the Royals are not given a direct connection to what they control or even why they have power.(12-01-2015, 03:07 PM)irukandji Wrote: Thanks to js for recommending this as a stand alone thread.
Something I've been wondering for a while now is if the writers are making a social commentary in Grimm rather than a moral statement. For instance, the use of guns in Grimm. I can't recall right off hand if I've ever seen a wesen use a gun. On the other hand, it seems Nick uses his just about every week. Could Grimm be advocating gun control in the form of entertainment?
New Guy mentioned there were a couple of instances where wesen used guns. In the five years Grimm has been on the air, this is an extremely low percentage to the law enforcement's use of guns. He also brought up something I had never thought of, Juliette's control of Nick's gun in the spice shop. Thoughts?
Frankly I was amazed that given the age of the characters so portrayed, that there never ever was a discussion of abortion. Moreover, I was flabbergasted when Nick and I believe Rosalee used very pro-life statements about the then unborn Kelly, referencing repeatedly that the child was innocent and Nick stepping between the enraged Juliette and his unborn child and noted the commentary. I was convinced then it was a statement and remain so convinced.
I watched those scenes more than once with my woman and offspring and we all looked at each other and discussed it and were pleasantly surprised.
I also have detected a faint anti-government theme, though more muted that if it exists, I appreciate.
(12-01-2015, 04:58 PM)irukandji Wrote: For me, one topic that comes immediately to mind is monsters. When I first started watching the series, I thought this was just another series about monsters. Nick inherited special powers to fight these monsters and reduce their threat to Portland. Good versus evil, in other words. But as I watched the series more and more, it became more and more difficult to determine which of the characters were monsters and which were not.
Currently in the U.S. the Black lives matter movement is all the rage with *** ********. If you strip out the nonsense and break it down into its logical components, it really boils down to a distrust of Government and an accusation that the law enforcement arm of Government and the judicial branch e is corrupt and covers up its own transgression against its own citizens (my buddy Adriano should find that comment interesting).
So now look at the analogy with Grimm, you have Nick and Co playing judge, jury and executioner, and using the mechanism of Government vested authority to cover up their own transgressions.
Happenstance, a sign of the times, or a social commentary? I think now very possibly a social commentary with the wesen uprising. Is it really wesen lives matter? Is it a modern commentary based on current events?
Every WOW story is either about a wesen whose problems steam from them being wesen. The other story line is wesen that capitalize on their wesen abilities, and what is the moral response when these activities infringe on others.
It shows both sides of the argument of does a minority assimilate or isolate maintaining their ideas and beliefs. The show uses death as a result of following ones beliefs. But it only is used to dramatize how far do you have to go, for your beliefs to be deemed unacceptable.
I don't know what makes weapons illegal/legal inn Austria, I assume if the Verrat could get permits they would--makes it easier to transport. I do remember that the prince and bodyguard that Renard killed were carrying legal guns. All the other wessen were felons, so the weapons probably were illegal(don't know the law in Oregon). Anyway, the question was did they use them, and the answer is yes. I don't think the writers are pro or con gun, they helped the drama of the shows.
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It has been explained why wesen don't use weapons. As a wesen if I don't use a weapon I can never be convicted, because you can never explain how I killed them.
That is why they all say prove it when arrested. That is why Nick says I know he did it, but we can never prove it. Even Hank commented it is hard knowing what is going on but not being able to do anything about it.
Now here is the question I have if the SGO is trying to stop the uprising, and the uprising to planing on using their ability to fight as wesen and not suffer being convicted. Then why does the SGO cover up the existence of Wesen. Unless the SGO does not want innocent wesen to suffer the mod mentality of frightened humans hunting wesen.
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