(12-31-2019, 03:12 PM)irukandji Wrote: As for your proof, I didn't address it because it just didn't seem to me that you really got adequate proof. There was no indication Black Claw wanted to fulfill Hitler's objective of ethnic cleansing. And Eve's statement was merely a comparison of Hitler to Black Claw. She did not suggest that Black Claw was furthering Hitler's mission.
Black Claw wanted to kill everyone who did not fit into their worldview – based on race and conviction, with world domination as the goal. You did not need Eve’s statement or the Swastika in order to draw the historical parallels. And if people lack historical knowledge, they can easily associate BC with the goals of modern terrorist organizations. The link to Hitler went all the way back to the films in Nick’s trailer showing Hitler and the Verrat shooting people in 1936. Meisner also worked for the Resistance, who opposed the Verrat. You can’t get Renard of the hook by saying you didn't see any Nazi uniforms. Not only did Renard knew, he tried to recruit Nick by defending their ideology.
Quote:Regarding Trubel, who yet again fails to prove herself: Why the creative team would have her make the idiotic statement, “I thought Meisner was Renard's friend. Why would he do this?”, is beyond any comprehension.
When did she see Renard and Meisner whooping it up as friends? What makes her statement even more ridiculous is that Meisner is her superior. HW was spying on Renard. He was in charge of the HW satellite in Portland. HW was the enemy of Black Claw. Renard was part of Black Claw.
Trubel knew all of this but still opens her mouth to utter dumbness once again. There is no way Renard and Meisner could be good friends. For them to be so would no doubt raise suspicions about Meisner's involvement with Black Claw, not to mention seriously call his position at HW into question.
I could give you serval examples of the trust between Renard and Meisner, but will focus on this this: The creative team, unlike you, knew all the details of the Renard/Meisner background story. Trubel was close to Meisner - she was in tears when she found him dead. Could it be that Meisner had told Trubel about Renard? As Face correctly have pointed out, we have no clue if Meisner was Renard’s bodyguard. What we do know is that Renard’s statement is CONSISTENT with that made by Trubel. Why would the writers repeat this message if it was false? It’s irrelevant whether you thought it was stupid, it was the storyline.
Quote: Meisner was not a good man. He was terrorist, who brutalized, tortured and killed people. He died a violent death. He came back as a ghost, tasked to haunt Renard. Ghosts are usually the souls who require redeeming. There are many stories and myths to support this so don't act like it cannot be part of this thread.
Based on what we know, Meisner dedicated his life to fighting against organizations that posed a danger to society. He was not a terrorist, but portrayed as an unselfish hero – i.e. the complete opposite of Sean Renard. That’s why your theory about Meisner being the one who needed redemption is absurd. If Meisner needed to be redeemed, it would be included in the storyline! The writers were trying to tell a story, not hide it away from the viewers!