(11-28-2018, 07:22 AM)irukandji Wrote:(11-28-2018, 06:52 AM)N_grimm Wrote: I even quoted Jim Kouf who wrote the final episode together with David Greenwalt. His explanation is consistent with mine. Even that was not good enough for you. You are basically saying that Kouf do not understand what was going on in his own story. As Hell Rell pointed out, this is “pretty common staple in anime”. Everything in Grimm was based on fairytales, religion, myths, symbolism, etc. If you can’t understand this, even when spoon-fed to you, I can’t help you. Sorry.
No, I'm saying that if Nick was aware of this hidden strength, then he wouldn't have needed Kelly to tell him that she and Marie helped him find his hidden strength.
I've read your "proof" and there's nothing in there that states everyone had to die so Nick could find his hidden strength. That is purely speculation on your part.
But hey, if you want to find the quote in the series where Nick actually discovers the strength on his own *and* communicates that to the audience, I'll apologize. But please don't use your own argument as proof. That won't do.
(11-28-2018, 06:58 AM)Henry of green Wrote: N Grimm, don’t be so silly they only wrote the show and created its characters in the first place what would they know that a poster on a fan forum doesn’t.
Well, find me the quote henry. You're the one always harping about canon, now you're going by speculation?
Isn't that what you're good at? Finding quotes to support others?
In response to the question how far they were willing to let Nick go after losing everything, Kouf says “It had to be some reward for not letting the world turn bad”. Later in the same interview, Greenwalt says: “You can always dig a little deeper than you think you can dig”.
Nick was ready to make a bargain with the devil, to get his friends and family back, but his mom and aunt reveals themselves in front of him and convince him to fight: “The strength of your blood, the blood of your Grimm ancestors, all of us it's inside you".
This if from another interview:
David Greenwalt: We needed a worthy opponent for this finale. We needed to answer the question of the stick, the Seven Keys and what the Grimm crusaders hid so long ago. It had to be bigger and badder than anything we've ever done before. Jim is right that on the emotional level [Nick] needed to lose everything that meant anything to him. We had to take him as low as he could possibly be taken.
I know that this will not make any impression on you, but the fact remains: everyone had to die for Nick to find his inner strength and save the world. There is NO CONFLICT between the fact that the deaths caused Nick to find his inner strength and that Kelly and Marie appeared. They just symbolize the strength he found. They came when he was willing to give up world (i.e. stick) to get his friends back.
The stick represented a piece of the cross, Juliette’s coma was based on the “Sleeping Beauty”- fairytale, and so on. You will find no ‘quote in the series’ saying this, but Grimm was based on myths, fairytales, religion, symbolism etc. The deaths played an important role, although this was not explicitly stated by anyone. Grimm had an adult audience and was not set up as an Education Serie’s on the Disney channel where Mickey Mouse walks around telling Two-year-old kids what they observe on screen.