04-27-2017, 02:29 PM
(04-27-2017, 02:11 PM)izzy Wrote:I can understand that.To you, she's swapping one terrible situation for a horrible one, making little to no difference in her life. I get it and that’s due to you not seeing anything good or worthwhile in the character of Nick so anyone who associates with him only degenerates as a consequence. I don't see Nick in quite as extreme view as you do but I have compartmentalised much of this show and the characters and I guess that means taking them at face value up to a certain point. Personally, I do think Grimms are serial killers, including Nick but that's my real world view but with the Grimm universe, I'm a bit more forgiving, of not just Grimms but wesen and kehrseite alike but only to a certain point. I do think Adalind is trying to be better and unfortunately to some viewers, that's not possible.(04-27-2017, 08:39 AM)rpmaluki Wrote: Adalind as a character has gone through a transformation that didn't happen overnight. The process from the very bad girl introduced in S1 to the relatively good and maybe even overtly friendly Adalind of S6 was a long, painful and arduous journey for her. In S5, she made the decision to be different to what she used to be for Kelly's sake. As much as she was angry over Diana's kidnapping, she later took responsibility, attributing it to her own behavior and actions leading up to it. I do think that Nadalind as a pairing may be inflating some perception of the character at the end causing people to claim things that honestly didn't happen on the show. I understand people not liking her or liking her with Nick but saying she did things for reasons that weren't shown/revealed on the show is just a reach too far for me.
With regards to whether or not she's changed, I think she's moving in the right direction. I don't think she's completely rid of her worst traits because that's a lifetime of conditioning that she'd need to work continually to correct but she's now surrounded by people who truly love and care for her enough to make such an attempt worthwhile. I saw a deleted scene between her and Rosalee where she asks if it's possible to change and like Rosalee, I believe it's possible if a person wants it badly enough and I believe Adalind definitely wants to change for the better.
Should people who've actually turned their lives around be judged according the mistakes they did in the past? I sure hope not. Is there no merit to the new life they have chosen to live today in efforts to be better people than those of yesteryear? If not, what a sad place to live in.
Wow, we clearly saw two different shows. But discussing the difference in interpretation is what makes this forum so worthwhile.
I'll agree that Adalind has moved, at least temporarily in the right direction, but rather than being the show about redemption so many once claimed, Grimm ends up proving a leopard cannot ultimately change its spots. Adalind moves in the right direction from being the town whore to simply a live in snuggle bunny raising a bastard for a son with a man she raped. And she also totally fails her daughter. Her child grows to be something even more insidious than her mother, apparently a serial killer, one actually encouraged by her so called changed mother. Bravo.
If anything what Grimm teaches us, is changes in character are only possible if you totally cut your ties to the past. Monro's rehabilitation was almost permanent and then he met Nick who ending up sullying his attempt to walk the path of the straight and narrow. If Nick had not entered his life, Monroe may have been successful in walking away from the wesen community and living a clean life, instead he is sullied and dragged into the filth and mire of the bowels of the wesen world by his association with Nick.
If Adalind was to be successful in her alleged transformation she would have need to cut all ties to her past. She didn't. And we got to see the future. Her son and daughter are serial killers. Yippee, bravo, great job. Adalind managed to take a Hexenbeist, who apparently have a great deal of latitude in character, and made a serial killer out of her. Great parenting there. At least they did not show Diana knocked up with two different baby daddies in tow: They were probably outside, in the car, in the hot sun while she ran inside the trailer.
Sorry I am just not seeing any great transformation here. She has simply cloaked her dysfunctional character under a thin veneer of respectability. Adalind is weak willed, She is surrounding herself with people of disrepute. She is living with a serial killer instead of fleeing like a decent women would do and get her children the furry kittens away from the murdering fathers of her bastard and her illegitimate daughter.