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The writers sabotaged N&J's relationship in favor of Adalind. - Hexenadler - 04-11-2017
Looking back at the series as a complete entity, it's even more clear the way in which the writers decided to eviscerate Nick and Juliette's bond was disgustingly cheap. I still can't think about it for too long without wanting to punch Greenwalt & Kouf in their throats.
Someone should have shot down the idea of Nick falling in love with a former sex offender before it was even written, but nobody cared. That's the biggest problem with the writers of this show in a nutshell: They're people who just don't care. Which sucks for viewers who actually grew to like these characters over the years.
No matter how many people try to defend it, "Nadalind" was the monster who really killed the show. Not Zerstorer.
RE: The writers sabotaged N&J's relationship in favor of Adalind. - Tara - 04-11-2017
I totally agree with you, Hexenadler. That was almost the same what I was thinking.
RE: The writers sabotaged N&J's relationship in favor of Adalind. - Scully1987 - 04-11-2017
Hexenadler, That is the same as I was thinking.
RE: The writers sabotaged N&J's relationship in favor of Adalind. - izzy - 04-11-2017
A contrasting theory...
The writers were under pressure to change the storyline to give Bitsie another chance to attempt to act...with much the same result as you indicated.
RE: The writers sabotaged N&J's relationship in favor of Adalind. - MarylikesGrimm - 04-11-2017
(04-11-2017, 09:39 PM)Hexenadler Wrote: Looking back at the series as a complete entity, it's even more clear the way in which the writers decided to eviscerate Nick and Juliette's bond was disgustingly cheap. I still can't think about it for too long without wanting to punch Greenwalt & Kouf in their throats.
Someone should have shot down the idea of Nick falling in love with a former sex offender before it was even written, but nobody cared. That's the biggest problem with the writers of this show in a nutshell: They're people who just don't care. Which sucks for viewers who actually grew to like these characters over the years.
No matter how many people try to defend it, "Nadalind" was the monster who really killed the show. Not Zerstorer.
The biggest drop in demo during a season was in season 3 and season 4 (see chart below) . During the second half of season 4 is the clearest drop in ratings which is when Juliette was an evil hexenbiest.
The drop in demo was in the summer breaks between season 4 & season 5 and season 5 & season 6. The demo during the season 5 & season 6 and was relatively flat.
Ratings comparison between Grimm different seasons by 18-49 Age Demographic
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(04-11-2017, 09:39 PM)Hexenadler Wrote: Someone should have shot down the idea of Nick falling in love with a former sex offender before it was even written, but nobody cared.
What is you opinion of Spike and Buffy as boyfriend and girlfriend?
RE: The writers sabotaged N&J's relationship in favor of Adalind. - rpmaluki - 04-11-2017
I do think they were unintentionally sabotaged through bad writing among other things. However, there wasn't some preconceived plan for Adalind to ultimately benefit, that was a consequence of the writers fumbling Juliette's character for years (while Adalind was still deeply entrenched in her role as a villain) before they finally pulled the trigger and had her go berserk on Nick and the scoobies.
RE: The writers sabotaged N&J's relationship in favor of Adalind. - MarylikesGrimm - 04-11-2017
(04-11-2017, 11:18 PM)izzy Wrote: A contrasting theory...
The writers were under pressure to change the storyline to give Bitsie another chance to attempt to act...with much the same result as you indicated.
Yes, I agree that Bitsie did like having her character change personally. She has not worked for NBC for months and she still brings it up on her own. Other characters in the show do not change as much each season.
RE: The writers sabotaged N&J's relationship in favor of Adalind. - rpmaluki - 04-11-2017
(04-11-2017, 11:32 PM)MarylikesGrimm Wrote:Most actors tend to welcome the changes to the characters they've been playing for years, to have a chance to change it up and embrace the challenge that comes with those changes. It's an opportunity to flex their acting muscles. Unfortunately for some viewers, this is a travesty and an abominable course of action. As viewers, we tend to reject drastic changes made to the characters we've grown to love over the years.(04-11-2017, 11:18 PM)izzy Wrote: A contrasting theory...
The writers were under pressure to change the storyline to give Bitsie another chance to attempt to act...with much the same result as you indicated.
Yes, I agree that Bitsie did like having her character change personally. She has not worked for NBC for months and she still brings it up on her own. Other characters in the show do not change as much each season.
RE: The writers sabotaged N&J's relationship in favor of Adalind. - Nicholas White - 04-12-2017
(04-11-2017, 09:39 PM)Hexenadler Wrote: Looking back at the series as a complete entity, it's even more clear the way in which the writers decided to eviscerate Nick and Juliette's bond was disgustingly cheap. I still can't think about it for too long without wanting to punch Greenwalt & Kouf in their throats.
Someone should have shot down the idea of Nick falling in love with a former sex offender before it was even written, but nobody cared. That's the biggest problem with the writers of this show in a nutshell: They're people who just don't care. Which sucks for viewers who actually grew to like these characters over the years.
No matter how many people try to defend it, "Nadalind" was the monster who really killed the show. Not Zerstorer.
All shows dropped in ratings as seasons went on. Before Nadalind even happened ratings were dropping. Stop using Nadalind as an excuse as to the ratings drop.
Season 4 and Season 5 presented a lot of changes:
1. Adalind got less Screen time
2. Juilette got more screen time
3. They brought in another Grimm
4. Wu became part of Team Grimm
5. The Grimm books weren't used as much.
6. Juilette became a Hexenbiest
7. Nadalind happened
Anyone of those things could have contributed to the decline in ratings or none of those things really. I mean I am just saying.
A show like Once upon a time has always been more popular than a show like Grimm but comparing Grimm Season 5 to Once Upon a time Season five the ratings difference was only about 620,000 viewers versus the previous seasons 1 million+ difference in viewership. Meaning Fantasy/Supernatural shows across the board were seeing decline in viewership.
Current Season 6 Grimm beat out Once upon a time Season 6 ratings.
Even if we don't compare it to any other network, Grimm as a supernatural/Fantasy/Scifi show on NBC has had better ratings than any other similar genre show on the network in the past 5 years.
Heroes Reborn started off with strong ratings but by the sixth episode it was in the 3 million range which is what Grimm was making in it's fifth season in a Friday night death slot. Mind you live viewership not DVR. Constantine, Powerless and Emerald City all brought in ratings lower than Grimm and they were newer shows.
FYI Newer shows should bring in more ratings than older shows. A general rule of thumb with Fantasy/Scifi/Supernatural shows is that as seasons go on ratings tend to decline. Speaking within the last like 7-10 years only. Look at popular shows like Smallville, Heroes, Once Upon a Time, etc. HBO shows being the exception.
Even shows on Friday like Dateline and First dates barely bring in Grimms numbers.
So stop acting like the writing is the cause of the decline when in all reality it is a network and Genre thing. Even with the best and top rating shows like Heroes which was brining in about 13 million viewers on average in season 1 and Once upon a time that was bringing in 12 million viewers on average in season 1, are all bound to see a decline. By Season 4 the Average ratings were 6.54 Million for Heroes and that was a Monday Time slot. By Season 5 The Average rating from Once was 6.32 million. For both shows over a span of 4-5 season they saw a 5 million+ viewership decrease. Grimm from it's best season from it's worst season only saw a 2 million viewership decrease. That was Season 3 versus Season 5. The difference between season 1 and Season 5 was only about 600,000 viewers.
The quality of writing affects the viewership but not nearly as much as people would like to think.
RE: The writers sabotaged N&J's relationship in favor of Adalind. - rpmaluki - 04-12-2017
(04-12-2017, 12:44 AM)Nicholas White Wrote: All shows dropped in ratings as seasons went on. Before Nadalind even happened ratings were dropping. Stop using Nadalind as an excuse as to the ratings drop.Thank you for such an insightful post. It's shortsighted to only blame Nadalind for the decline in rating when that is standard for almost every network show. And if Nadalind affected the show as negatively as some claim, the ratings would be in the toilet for a show airing on a Friday night after four whole seasons with DVR on the rise but the show has been been fairly stable since the end of S4/beginning of S5 which is where we got a mini reboot of sorts.
Season 4 and Season 5 presented a lot of changes:
1. Adalind got less Screen time
2. Juilette got more screen time
3. They brought in another Grimm
4. Wu became part of Team Grimm
5. The Grimm books weren't used as much.
6. Juilette became a Hexenbiest
7. Nadalind happened
Anyone of those things could have contributed to the decline in ratings or none of those things really. I mean I am just saying.
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Grimm from it's best season from it's worst season only saw a 2 million viewership decrease. That was Season 3 versus Season 5. The difference between season 1 and Season 5 was only about 600,000 viewers.
The quality of writing affects the viewership but not nearly as much as people would like to think.