(04-09-2017, 01:53 PM)irukandji Wrote:(04-09-2017, 11:40 AM)Courtney23 Wrote: Even the writers stated it was adalind and nick . Do u think Monroe and roaslaie would trust there three kids around Sean after all he's done I don't think so.
The writers are liars, pure and simple. I know there are people who believe them and even some of those people don't believe everything the writers write. As for me, I take everything they say with a grain of salt, especially when they add phrases like "happily ever after".
Even in your own words, you're stating Rosalee and Monroe wouldn't trust their kids around Sean. That being the case, then how could everything end up "happily ever after"?
(04-09-2017, 01:53 PM)Mrtrick Wrote:(04-09-2017, 11:00 AM)irukandji Wrote:(04-09-2017, 10:45 AM)Courtney23 Wrote: Because saying, "Our Dad and Mom" is how people talk in casual conversation? Or maybe she should have said "Mom and Stepdad are waiting", cause that rolls off the tongue. Kelly would have heard Diana call Nick "Dad" before, so using it in a familiar parlance would have needed no qualification for him. Why is the idea that people would call both Nick and Sean "Dad", rubbing some people the wrong way? It's in no way dismissive of Diana's relationship with Sean. It just means she's also close to Nick. Which is a good and healthy thing.
Kelly is writing in a book. Now if this is a book for posterity, then he isn't going to refer to his Dad at all. He's going to simply describe the Z and how it was destroyed.
If this is a personal diary Kelly is writing in, then "our dad" would be much more appropriate.
So the fact that he states "my dad" makes sense when he's referring to Nick. The fact that Diana talks about Mom and Dad means she's referring to Adalind and Sean.
I made no reference to the Grimm journal Kelly is writing in. I'm speaking about the way in which Diana would talk to her brother in a casual discourse. She's addressing Kelly when she says "Mom and Dad", assuming a familiar understanding between the two, over whom she's referencing. And as I will reiterate from previous posts, it makes no sense thematically, for Diana to be referencing Sean. Nick is the main character. This is his legacy. Why then would they be talking about a guy who isn't even a Grimm? Especially if other, more beloved characters get no mention.
And you don't think Kelly would understand she's could be talking about her Dad when she says "Mom and Dad"? In reality it makes no sense that she would even mention the parents anyway. The kids have taken over the legacy.
This assertion that the writers are liars is completely insane. It's a common practice for those involved in a show's production to stoke and misdirect public perception in an effort to veil upcoming plot points. But once a show is done, there are no remaining reasons to obfuscate the truth. They get to speak openly about intent. And to say that the events happening on screen are somehow a lie, for no greater reason than disagreeing with them, seems delusional. If nothing happened in the way it was shown to happen, the entire presented reality is a house of cards. What actually exists then, other than one's own perception of how it should have been. If you accept that nothing the writers gave you was true, I suppose the only recourse is to go back and rewrite the whole story in your own image. That way the characters could actually be what you seem to think they are.
In a literal sense, yes, Diana could be talking about Renard. If you wanted, you could interpret it as Nick being dead and Adalind is Mrs. Renard. You could say both Nick and Renard were killed in their sleep by Adalind and she's talking about that imaginary Prince you conjured up earlier. Maybe Meisner came back from the dead and he's now Diana's stepdad. Or Adalind, Nick and Renard all died in a tragic boating accident, making Monroe and Rosalee adoptive parents to Kelly and Diana. Or better yet, Nick got a sex change, married Renard, and Diana calls him "Mom" now. But all of those notions fall apart under a logical interpretation. Diana is passing along information to Kelly. She's trying to get his butt in gear. "Mom and Dad" are waiting. It's curt and to the point, and assumes they have a similar understanding of what the heck she's saying. A more expositionsary version of this exchange could have gone: "Hey you, sitting at that desk, writing stuff. Our shared parental figures are waiting at an undisclosed location, so that we might all go and fight things. Because we're Grimms, or close enough, and that's the sort of thing we do. And when I reference our parents, I assume you know that I'm referring to the guy we would both call Dad, and not the other guy that I call Dad...because you don't call that guy Dad..and I didn't want to confuse you. Now let me grab this big stick so we can get to killin'." I'm starting to wish she'd said it that way, so people wouldn't have such an excuse to prop up their fanciful reimaginings of reality.