(02-15-2016, 11:46 AM)Hexenadler Wrote:(02-15-2016, 11:17 AM)Belle Wrote: What makes you think HW is as bad as BC?
Seems to me like they are Grimm's version of the Men in Black.
They do whatever it takes to stop BC from killing innocent wesen and people without disrupting anyone anymore than they absolutely have to.
Uh...no. Any clandestine organization that utilizes brainwashing (that's exactly what they did to Juliette, I don't care what they call it) should be regarded with utmost suspicion. You'd be amazed how quickly "whatever it takes" can be re-evaluated into "kill them all and let God sort 'em out." Meisner strikes me as the sort of fellow who strives for the so-called greater good, as does FrankenEve and Trubel. The moment anyone starts to talk about "the greater good," THAT'S WHEN YOU GET THE HELL OUT OF THERE.
I'm sure Captain Ramsey was doing "whatever it takes" in this clip from the movie Crimson Tide. You know what would have happened if he got his way? Nuclear holocaust. Try to visualize Meisner in Gene Hackman's place, and Nick (or Hank) in Denzel Washington's, if that helps.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6xNLeWkFrE
I see your point. It's kind of like the difference in how people view Snowden; he's either seen as a hero or a traitor with few people on the fence regarding their perception of what he did.
While I do see the danger in HW, I guess at the end of the day I still see them as good and necessary. Perhaps that means I could easily get sucked into the "whatever it takes" mentality when pursuing a just cause, which probably is a good way to lose sight of the bigger picture.
I even see some good in BC. While I find their methods unforgivable and practices like ritualized killing to end a drought totally unacceptable, there is really nothing wrong with the concept of wesen pride in and of itself. The way wesen are forced to suppress their identities seems to create a lot of shame and problems. When you consider that it's part of their physical make-up the idea that they have to hide what they are and act ashamed of it strikes me as cruel. There have been several episodes where I felt like wesen were really treated badly or in which their crimes were more of a product of how they are forced to live as opposed to some innate evil within them.
For me a big part of what makes Grimm entertaining it that the show really does have a lot of parallels in both real life and fiction, which range from the super serious to the lighthearted. Various episodes of Grimm will pop into my head when I'm watching the news or reading a manga.
The other day I was watching Hotel Transylvania and I kept thinking "The need a hotel like that for wesen!" I could even picture an episode of Grimm where Nick and company got called to a wesen resort to investigate a murder.