(06-24-2017, 05:06 PM)irukandji Wrote:(06-19-2017, 10:08 AM)Hell Rell Wrote: Then how about we replace unhappy with unhealthy? I find people easily assume people have a healthy marriage from the distance when the reality can be that there's very little about it that's healthy. I'd rather see them can get a divorce and improve themselves separately than be miserable together. I wouldn't think think any less of them for doing so.
My parents have been married for 35 years so I definitely see the merits in it. I just don't think marriage is the be all/end all and is the only type of commitment worth having. I think couples who are faithful and support each other while they're together, marriage or not, shows their commitment.
Congratulations to your parents, Hell Rell. My husband and I just celebrated our 40th anniversary. When I was first married my sister in law told me she didn't see our marriage lasting a year. She has since been through 3 marriages and 2 divorces so you just never can tell.
Your comment that people easily assume that people have a healthy marriage from a distance is very accurate. My parents are a prime example. To see them in public, you'd think they had the happiest marriage. In private, I can say it was a completely different matter. I would have totally applauded a divorce between them.
I don't know what the answer is to the inflating divorce rate in these modern times. All I can say is that sometimes staying together is the worse decision a couple can make because it causes hardship on the children. My parents are still married to this day, but my brother will never forgive them for what staying together did to him as a child.
(06-19-2017, 10:08 AM)Hell Rell Wrote: In Nick and Juliette's case, things went off the rails once Juliette became a Hexenbiest. Things would've played out largely the same had they been married at the time. That ring wouldn't have saved their relationship. Juliette disappearing might've been a bigger deal but that should've been the case anyway.
My mother was a Catholic and my father was not during the 50s when they married. They were able to marry in church, but it was not the blessed event that church weddings are now. The church was dark and they were forced to marry in the vestibule. Both of their parents were against the marriage from day one, one side was Catholic and the other not. My father's parents talked him into becoming a Mason, which was strictly forbidden on the Catholic side of things. Add to that that he was a cop, they had no where to live at first so had to live with both parents. My mother always called it a mixed marriage, which seemed to me, to be dooming it from the start.
While Nick and Juliette were not married, I see some distinct similarities. All was fine until she became a hexenbiest. Nick tried to be fine with her being a hexenbiest but it was clear to me that he was not fine with it at all. He wanted to continue to be a grimm. Juliette was not innocent by any means. She had her issues with Nick. Both of them seemed out of control with their antics in the relationship. Juliette didn't have the hexenbiest heritage. Hers was created. However, she still had the characteristics of a hexenbiest just like Nick had the characteristcs of a grimm. It was a mixed relationship that imploded and was doomed.
As stated this all seemed to begin with Juliette becoming a hexenbiest. I agree that if she had become a hexenbiest with a ring on her finger, nothing would have changed. However, it seems a lot of the blame falls on Juliette as a hexenbiest rather than the issues that arose because of the relationship mixture of hexenbiest/grimm. It seems to me that both Nick and Juliette were at fault and neither really wanted to go back to the way things were. Is that because they both became grimm and hexenbiest and the two species really shouldn't mix?
I agree a lot with what you're saying about marriage. I'm not anti-marriage by any means. My best friends are also married. They complain but they're happy with their lives.
I just happen to think social pressure plays a large part in people marrying for the wrong reasons. One of my friends and his wife are Haitian and he told me her family kept sending not so subtle hints about them wanting to marry. I think families of couples can do them a disservice by this type of behavior. He ended up proposing when he felt the time was right, it was on her birthday and I was there to witness it, but I think some people will do it and fear of how their family and friends will judge them if they don't get married.
As far as Nick and Juliette were concerned, I believe Grimms and Hexenbiest can mix but their preconceived notions prevented that from happening. The books nor their friends speak highly of them. There's also the issue of their experience with the first Hexenbiest they ever met. They lost their identities in each others' eyes and mainly became the hated enemy of their species.
There are no other Grimm/Hexenbiest pairings besides Nick and Adalind so I wonder if other Grimms and Hexenbiests can be paired. I'd like to think that there's a possibility Elizabeth could be tolerant enough to date a Grimm but she would probably let her logical side win over her emotional one. She wouldn't give up Sean for the world but she has to remember the turmoil that came from sleeping with King Frederick. Elizabeth might think pairing with a Grimm would be worse and I can't think of a Grimm that would be okay with it.
However, Elizabeth spent time around two Grimms and even restored one's power at her son's request. That's most likely a lot more than other Hexenbiests would do so maybe there's a slight chance of her mingling with a Grimm.