10-19-2016, 06:08 AM
10-19-2016, 06:36 AM
Doesn't forcing Nick to point a gun on Monroe (with the intent to kill) count as a betrayal? She slept with Renard and Kenneth, that's a betrayal to Nick imo. The only person she didn't try to hurt was Trubel.
10-19-2016, 06:47 AM
(10-19-2016, 06:36 AM)rpmaluki Wrote: [ -> ]Doesn't forcing Nick to point a gun on Monroe (with the intent to kill) count as a betrayal? She slept with Renard and Kenneth, that's a betrayal to Nick imo. The only person she didn't try to hurt was Trubel.Well said RPMaluki!
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10-19-2016, 06:56 AM
(10-19-2016, 06:36 AM)rpmaluki Wrote: [ -> ]Doesn't forcing Nick to point a gun on Monroe (with the intent to kill) count as a betrayal? She slept with Renard and Kenneth, that's a betrayal to Nick imo. The only person she didn't try to hurt was Trubel.
How'd his gun get out in the first place? Juliette didn't force him to unholster it. He drew on her. That's not a betrayal on her part.
10-19-2016, 09:09 AM
also Juliette had broken up with Nick. so why is who she sleeps with a betrayal. As for Kenneth he had not done anything when she sleep with him. The plan was to get Diana not kill anyone. The final point she was no longer Nicks girl friend, she now a wesen, a hexenbiest. She was no longer part of the team. People keep judging her as if she was still Juliette. She was no longer even human so how could she be Juliette. Her final acceptance was to change her name. Like she said she is starting over.
10-20-2016, 05:39 PM
(10-19-2016, 09:09 AM)syscrash Wrote: [ -> ]also Juliette had broken up with Nick. so why is who she sleeps with a betrayal.
Actually, it was Nick who broke up with her. He was the one who decided he didn't want to sleep with her. So he simply stopped, no explanation, no nothing.
Juliette sleeping with Renard and then with Kenneth was not a betrayal of Nick because she was no longer in a relationship with Nick.
10-20-2016, 06:24 PM
Does being in a relationship for years count for nothing when you break up? I'm seriously asking. It seems like the argument is she can sleep with someone who's trying to draw his mother out of hiding in the bed he still sleeps in. Is there nothing nasty about that? The only reason Kenneth even recruited Juliette was because of her relationship to Nick who she just broke up with.
Juliette turned against her friends as well. Are you telling me that doesn't count for anything either? She went to ask for Monroe and Rosalee's help in 4x17. Juliette even seemed pleased to see Rosalee visit her in jail in 4x19. She burns the trailer at the end of that episode and then points Nick's gun at Monroe and fired it at the end of 4x20. That's a very quick and drastic turnaround. Is the viewer supposed to ignore that and shrug it off as her not being on Team Grimm anymore?
Juliette didn't simply cut ties with them. She did some really twisted stuff. Juliette didn't just go the "we're not friends anymore" route. She did that and actively went against them. That's a whole different scenario from the former.
Juliette turned against her friends as well. Are you telling me that doesn't count for anything either? She went to ask for Monroe and Rosalee's help in 4x17. Juliette even seemed pleased to see Rosalee visit her in jail in 4x19. She burns the trailer at the end of that episode and then points Nick's gun at Monroe and fired it at the end of 4x20. That's a very quick and drastic turnaround. Is the viewer supposed to ignore that and shrug it off as her not being on Team Grimm anymore?
Juliette didn't simply cut ties with them. She did some really twisted stuff. Juliette didn't just go the "we're not friends anymore" route. She did that and actively went against them. That's a whole different scenario from the former.
10-20-2016, 08:53 PM
Juliette sleep with Kenneth in the same bed that Nick and Adalind conceived kelly in. Just like Nick and Adalind did not know they would have Kelly. Juliette did not know what Kenneth would do.
The biggest problem not one of them even tried to comfort her and let her know they understood. There only concern was to fix her so they would not feel guilty. Even when she was in jail talking to Rosale. Rosales could not even allow Juliette to accept her condition. It is not like Rosales does not know what it is to accept being wesen.
Juliette going to the shop was only a curtsy to let them know what she is and is here to stay like it or not. That is why she said let's get this over with. She had no intention of huting them. She just wanted to let them know what she could do. By the time she went to the shop they where no longer here friends. They had already choose to side with Adalind. That is why she said they must have tested the potion on Adalind.
If she had wanted to hurt she had more then enough ability to have hurt them.
The biggest problem not one of them even tried to comfort her and let her know they understood. There only concern was to fix her so they would not feel guilty. Even when she was in jail talking to Rosale. Rosales could not even allow Juliette to accept her condition. It is not like Rosales does not know what it is to accept being wesen.
Juliette going to the shop was only a curtsy to let them know what she is and is here to stay like it or not. That is why she said let's get this over with. She had no intention of huting them. She just wanted to let them know what she could do. By the time she went to the shop they where no longer here friends. They had already choose to side with Adalind. That is why she said they must have tested the potion on Adalind.
If she had wanted to hurt she had more then enough ability to have hurt them.
10-20-2016, 09:33 PM
Nick didn't know he had slept with Adalind until after the fact. That isn't the same as Juliette knowingly sleeping with Kenneth in their bed.
When Nick became a zombie, the scoobies instinctively tried to cure him, it's odd to expect them to act differently when it's Juliette. They are being criticised trying to help a friend but I get the feeling they'd be equally criticised if they simply gave up on Juliette, which ironically is what eventually happened when the scoobies got mad when Juliette actively turned on them and tried to kill them. Some fans didn't like Monroe and Rosalee as well as Nick choosing to move on from Juliette after her heinous actions towards her former friends.
When Nick became a zombie, the scoobies instinctively tried to cure him, it's odd to expect them to act differently when it's Juliette. They are being criticised trying to help a friend but I get the feeling they'd be equally criticised if they simply gave up on Juliette, which ironically is what eventually happened when the scoobies got mad when Juliette actively turned on them and tried to kill them. Some fans didn't like Monroe and Rosalee as well as Nick choosing to move on from Juliette after her heinous actions towards her former friends.
10-20-2016, 10:00 PM
When Juliette sleep in the bed. Was after she and Nick realized that was the bed Kelly was conceived in. Nick had chosen Adalind over her. The cure made no since because it was not a cure. What would have been the purpose to suppress her for a month. They had already been informed Juliette would forever be a hexenbiest. So why not just accept it. She told Nick and then Rosale that she had accepted being a hexenbiest so why continue with a temporary solution.