11-11-2015, 04:10 PM
11-12-2015, 05:40 AM
(11-11-2015, 04:10 PM)Hexenadler Wrote:Hi Hexenadler,(11-11-2015, 03:28 PM)New Guy Wrote: Even in fantasy Grimm death is permanent. You are correct. The Grimm writers brought Renard back via the three components I mention above. They added the hokey Jack the ripper part to make it less believable. You do not need to list more fantasy Lazarus effect examples. Grimm Wiki is tracking the deaths on Grimm. Their count through 5.01 is 241. The writers brought back only one. Also, Renard was not shot through his heart as was Juliette. That is usually fatal. Nick has training and experience with death. He has made it clear that Juliette died. Unless the writers choose otherwise, I'll agree with Nick. New Guy
11-12-2015, 10:21 AM
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(11-12-2015, 05:40 AM)New Guy Wrote: Also, Renard was not shot through his heart as was Juliette. That is usually fatal. 1) Where did you get the idea she was shot through the heart? All I saw were two arrows: One in her throat, the other in her chest. There's been no confirmation that the second arrow pierced her heart. 2) "Nick has training and experience with death?" Sure, he's a police officer and all, but even taking that into account, Juliette was in his arms for a scant five seconds before Chavez's thugs were storming the house and knocking him out with chloroform. Hardly enough time to make sure Juliette was well and truly dead. If Nick assumes Juliette has expired, he's being a fool, especially if he still remembers that Renard managed to come back under similar circumstances.
11-12-2015, 11:33 AM
(11-12-2015, 10:21 AM)Hexenadler Wrote:Hi Hexenadler,(11-12-2015, 05:40 AM)New Guy Wrote: Also, Renard was not shot through his heart as was Juliette. That is usually fatal. The NBC recap of the scene reads "Nick says he's done fighting, but Juliette's not. She says, "Goodbye, Nick," before preparing to strike one last below. A voice behind her says, "Goodbye, Juliette," and before she can realize what's happening, Trubel fires two darts into Juliette's chest. Nick catches Juliette as she falls to the ground and holds her close as she dies in his arms." Note the "two darts into Juliette's chest." One of the darts struck her just left of the sternum as you can see in the NBC video at 2:44: http://www.nbc.com/grimm/video/lovers-qu...vc146231=2 The arrows (darts) are also visible in the NBC photos: http://www.nbc.com/grimm/photos/cry-havoc/2355566 and: http://images.latinpost.com/data/images/....jpg?w=600 Anther clip from Wiki: http://grimm.wikia.com/wiki/File:422-Juliette_dies.gif Two photos from Wiki: http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/grim...0517225656 and: http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/grim...1002192933 Here is what TV Guide had to say: http://www.tvguide.com/news/grimm-season-5-premiere/ I was counting on the autopsy report to give Nick guidance into those responsible for the hexen side effect that resulted in Juliette turning evil to betray Nick in every possible way including the death of Kelly. I believe proper investigation would reveal Renard had significant responsibility for Juliette's downfall. Unfortunately, Chavez and her goons seem to have destroyed the evidence including Juliette's corpse. It is time for Nick to get some answers. New Guy
11-12-2015, 11:47 AM
(11-12-2015, 10:21 AM)Hexenadler Wrote:(11-12-2015, 05:40 AM)New Guy Wrote: Also, Renard was not shot through his heart as was Juliette. That is usually fatal. I simply have to ask. Why are you so obsessed with bringing this character back to the show? I don't pretend to be the film critic for the New York Times, but IMHO, the character and the actress stank up the screen!! For example, there was absolutely no chemistry between Juliette and Nick in the show. Even though Bitsie Tulloch and David Giuntoli are said to have something going on in real life. Now, how crappy of an actress does someone have to be, that she can't convince people that her lover, is her lover?!
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11-12-2015, 11:51 AM
If Meisner is tangling with whatever is in that room, maybe he's a wesen. Unless the prisoner is tied up.
What I can't figure out is what the heck could be so ferocious that it could be made into such a powerful weapon that it could stop a mob. We're being made to believe its captors are provoking it in the way that an arena animal is abused before a fight. But guess it's possible that Meisner looked the worse for wear at the end of the episode because he was trying to tame or control it, not actually torturing it. Still thinking the references to fire might be more than just metaphors; maybe it's a dragon, haha.
"The only thing that will redeem mankind is cooperation." Bertrand Russell - printed on a beer mat in "Shaun of The Dead".
11-12-2015, 11:58 AM
(11-11-2015, 04:06 PM)irukandji Wrote:I would point out the Henrietta didn't heal herself nor could Adalind's mother. If it was possible for a hexen to heal themselves than would we say they and unable to be killed? We seen that isn't the case they do die, I don't see how Juliette would be any different as all hexens have access to the primal forces of nature Juliette wasn't the only one. Renard mother said she was only able to that once. Just my 2 cents.(11-11-2015, 09:20 AM)jsgrimm45 Wrote: Henrietta told Juliette she now had access to the primal forces of nature,but we seen Elizabeth heal Sean. Looked like for that to work it would take life force from one and heal the other so for that to work I would think Chavez group would have to have someone be a the giver, and Juliette would have to know the potion or spell what ever Elizabeth used. Some big if's but possible.
11-12-2015, 12:05 PM
(11-12-2015, 11:51 AM)speakeasy Wrote: If Meisner is tangling with whatever is in that room, maybe he's a wesen. Unless the prisoner is tied up.Hi Speakeasy, If the dragon is beyond budget, will you settle for Loch Ness? http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-fe...mic-808026 New Guy
11-12-2015, 12:31 PM
(11-12-2015, 12:05 PM)New Guy Wrote:(11-12-2015, 11:51 AM)speakeasy Wrote: If Meisner is tangling with whatever is in that room, maybe he's a wesen. Unless the prisoner is tied up.Hi Speakeasy, Wow, I didn't even think of that. Maybe it isn't a feral Juliette but the Loch Ness Monster in the cell.
11-12-2015, 01:01 PM
(11-12-2015, 12:05 PM)New Guy Wrote:(11-12-2015, 11:51 AM)speakeasy Wrote: If Meisner is tangling with whatever is in that room, maybe he's a wesen. Unless the prisoner is tied up.Hi Speakeasy, Hi, New Guy, Thanks for referencing the site. Had me laughing more and more inappropriately as I read along, at the general moroseness of the interview - not exactly an up-with-people sort of article. But I'm a 'glass half full' kind if hairpin, so I found some good news. First, my hero, Hank is going to find love, yea! Anyone remember that pretty cop from last season, the one who worked with Nick and Hank on the snake-guys case, think it was? I have my eye on her for Hank, if she isn't dead. And even though a person should duck for cover around here when mentioning this, I just love, love, luuurve, the Captain, he's always been my favorite. So I was glad to read that he was going to receive a 'political opportunity'. Icing on the cake was the mention of the Loch Ness monster. It'll be fun seeing an episode featuring Nessie, and she'll do as a fine replacement for a dragon any day. speakeasy
"The only thing that will redeem mankind is cooperation." Bertrand Russell - printed on a beer mat in "Shaun of The Dead".
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