05-24-2016, 06:09 AM
talk about the Crusaders was an example.I was not referring to the "GRIMM".and that Nick could not kill Juliette '.It is not a cold-blooded murderer, even if it were a "GRIMM"
Poll: Did you like the episode "The Beginning of the End" ? You do not have permission to vote in this poll. |
|||
Loved it! | 25 | 83.33% | |
Liked it | 4 | 13.33% | |
Meh... | 1 | 3.33% | |
Disliked | 0 | 0% | |
Total | 30 vote(s) | 100% |
* You voted for this item. | [Show Results] |
05-24-2016, 06:09 AM
talk about the Crusaders was an example.I was not referring to the "GRIMM".and that Nick could not kill Juliette '.It is not a cold-blooded murderer, even if it were a "GRIMM"
05-24-2016, 06:12 AM
(05-24-2016, 06:09 AM)brandon Wrote: talk about the Crusaders was an example.I was not referring to the "GRIMM".and that Nick could not kill Juliette '.It is not a cold-blooded murderer, even if it were a "GRIMM" Brandon, you need to make sure your posts are clear then. You mentioned Jerusalem and the crusaders, I thought you were talking about Grimms. What is it you're trying to say?
The best way to frustrate a cyberbully is to ignore him.
05-24-2016, 06:22 AM
(05-24-2016, 06:02 AM)irukandji Wrote: You're assuming regret and remorse prevented him from strangling her. There was nothing in the episode to indicate that. For crying out loud, THE ENTIRE EPISODE WAS MOTIVATED BY REGRET AND REMORSE. Nick felt both because he was responsible for Juliette's metamorphosis in the first place. THAT'S WHY HE BACKED DOWN. All of these emotions were in plain sight, but you seem to voluntarily turn a blind eye to them. Irukandji, you've reached the point where you're flat-out refusing to acknowledge any evidence that contradicts your interpretation of the show, no matter how many holes a rational critic could poke in it. If a scene or piece of dialogue in an episode disproves your take on a story, you simply deny it exists. Arguing with a person like yourself is like trying to talk to a brick wall. At this rate I can't see how we can continue to talk without a flame war erupting, so I'll take the initiative by just walking away.
05-24-2016, 06:41 AM
(05-24-2016, 06:22 AM)Hexenadler Wrote:(05-24-2016, 06:02 AM)irukandji Wrote: You're assuming regret and remorse prevented him from strangling her. There was nothing in the episode to indicate that. What was Nick's answer when the scoobies asked what they should do about Juliette? He said "KILL HER". He didn't say, 'let her go she didn't mean it', or 'bring her to me', or 'she can't help what she is'. He said, "KILL HER". That isn't my interpretation, that's the show. Nick didn't spend the episode with any type of remorse or regret. He went after the royals to murder the king and ended up murdering the king's guards. He apprehended Kenneth and murdered him. He sought out Juliette to murder her. Where's all this regret and remorse you're talking about? It's not in the episode to be sure. In case you didn't realize it, Hexenadler, the forum is about interpretation. Just because you come up with some explanation of what you think is evidence and point out what everyone should see doesn't mean you're right. And just because I see something doesn't mean everyone should go along with it either. You want to quit the discussion, quit the discussion. You want to disagree, disagree. That is the point of interpretation, not trying to force what you call evidence onto everyone else and getting angry when they don't agree with you.
The best way to frustrate a cyberbully is to ignore him.
05-24-2016, 06:44 AM
The name of the last episodes was "The Beginning of the End" and the motto is "It's better to die on your feet then to live on your knees" - mostly attributed to Emiliano Zapata (Viva Zapata, one of my all-time favorite movies), Mexican revolutionary. His support of one man to overthrow a bad dictator resulted in bringing to power a man who inflicted even more oppression upon his people. Very Greek tragedy.
Those are the best indicators, imo, of the content and direction to which this story is going. Just feel that J and N will be martyrs to this Cause. So it would be a good thing if they can make some kind of peace with each other.
"The only thing that will redeem mankind is cooperation." Bertrand Russell - printed on a beer mat in "Shaun of The Dead".
05-24-2016, 07:26 AM
(This post was last modified: 05-24-2016, 07:27 AM by Hexenadler.)
(05-24-2016, 06:44 AM)speakeasy Wrote: Those are the best indicators, imo, of the content and direction to which this story is going. Just feel that J and N will be martyrs to this Cause. So it would be a good thing if they can make some kind of peace with each other. I doubt the writers will slaughter their leads by the end of the series. This isn't GAME OF THRONES, no matter how much they'd like it to be. All the same, it would make for a powerful, moving ending if Nick and Juliette were to die in each other's arms, a Grimm and a Hexenbiest finally transcending the roles that were forced upon them in life and being united forever in death.
05-24-2016, 08:17 AM
(05-24-2016, 07:26 AM)Hexenadler Wrote:(05-24-2016, 06:44 AM)speakeasy Wrote: Those are the best indicators, imo, of the content and direction to which this story is going. Just feel that J and N will be martyrs to this Cause. So it would be a good thing if they can make some kind of peace with each other. Big fan here of George R. R. Martin, I've been collecting his books of GOT for almost twenty years. I have every first edition except the one that makes a collection really valuable - the first one, of course. Glass half full, one of them is signed by the author. But I do remember getting so dang vexed when he killed off a treasured character and when he seemed to take a nuerotic pleasure in rewarding the bad guys. But, boy, can that guy spin a yarn. Having a gloomy feeling about something can be treated the same way as when one gets the urge to exercise. If you go lay down for a while, it passes. Few more days separation from these last episodes and I may be looking for a more cheerful ending. And we'll always have the kids to carry forth the next incarnation of the Grimm saga if it goes the way of cancellation and then has a rebirth.
"The only thing that will redeem mankind is cooperation." Bertrand Russell - printed on a beer mat in "Shaun of The Dead".
(05-24-2016, 07:26 AM)Hexenadler Wrote: All the same, it would make for a powerful, moving ending if Nick and Juliette were to die in each other's arms, a Grimm and a Hexenbiest finally transcending the roles that were forced upon them in life and being united forever in death. Another powerful statement,one about the futility of life, innate justice, and harsh reality would be Juliette/Eve/WhatEverStupidPersonaTheyGiveHerInSeason6 torn apart by a pack of wild dogs in the woodlands of Portland, her futile screams ringing out into the night as she cries for a mercy that does not exist while Nick(under investigation for multiple homicides) dies in an empty warehouse shoving heroin into his veins rather than face the consequences of his actions. I would find that a supremely satisfying ending. But we differ on what sort of ending we would like.
Oxford commas are so totally rad!.
05-24-2016, 10:43 AM
(05-24-2016, 10:37 AM)izzy Wrote:(05-24-2016, 07:26 AM)Hexenadler Wrote: All the same, it would make for a powerful, moving ending if Nick and Juliette were to die in each other's arms, a Grimm and a Hexenbiest finally transcending the roles that were forced upon them in life and being united forever in death. Feel better, Izzy?
"The only thing that will redeem mankind is cooperation." Bertrand Russell - printed on a beer mat in "Shaun of The Dead".
05-24-2016, 10:45 AM
(05-24-2016, 10:37 AM)izzy Wrote: Another powerful statement,one about the futility of life, innate justice, and harsh reality would be Juliette/Eve/WhatEverStupidPersonaTheyGiveHerInSeason6 torn apart by a pack of wild dogs in the woodlands of Portland, her futile screams ringing out into the night as she cries for a mercy that does not exist while Nick(under investigation for multiple homicides) dies in an empty warehouse shoving heroin into his veins rather than face the consequences of his actions. That doesn't have anything to do with good or bad storytelling. That's just you hating the characters. |
|