(07-28-2015, 12:38 PM)irukandji Wrote: Just the person I was hoping would pop up on this thread. Before I go further and elaborate, I wanted to ask you something, izzy. This goes back to your comment about Juliette slumming.
If Juliette's part in her relationship with Nick is slumming, what is his part in the relationship? Is she considered a trophy?
I really do not know. I think in Juliette's mind she would be a trophy, and there is no doubt she is delectable arm candy, but add in brains, a aura of sophistication and class to it, and she clearly was something far beyond a trophy.
The issue becomes did Nick know that? Was she initially just somewhere to sheath his sword, did he have, as so many of my LEO buddies have, the idea that they are god's gift to womankind everywhere, or did he really see her, in many ways, elevating him. I do not know. And I don' think there really are any clues. In many ways, even after 4 seasons Nick is a remarkably undeveloped character, emotionally.
I think we have been given far more insight into the other characters, in terms of emotions and overall development. We even have more insight in many ways into a minor character, Bud. We know Bud, deep down has courage despite his wesen nature, at least when it comes to friends. And he is loyal. He also feels bigger when he knows people who he perceives as bigger then himself (i.e. a name dropper). We know he puts family first, and that he is delightfully old fashioned and moral and sees the good/upside in most situations, rather an optimist. He also is very sensitive.
We know more about Monroe, Rosalee, Adalind, Truble and even dare I say it, Renard than we do of Nick.
So in answer to your questions, if I was Nick, Juliette may have initially just been a conquest to me, then maybe a trophy, but I think I would quickly realize she really was a goddess and should have been treated as such, relative to me. She could have had anyone she wanted with her brains, looks, charm.
And all that from a guy who never liked her character, though I think I have come to understand at least my version of her. And in that version, she was slumming and hence some of bitchiness she projected was because she was mad at herself for ever falling in love with Nick. That is why she was hesitant to marry him, lingering doubts, and when he started acting out of character she became more doubtful and madder then ever at herself. And all that time her biological clock is ticking...
(07-28-2015, 12:38 PM)irukandji Wrote: Just the person I was hoping would pop up on this thread. Before I go further and elaborate, I wanted to ask you something, izzy. This goes back to your comment about Juliette slumming.
If Juliette's part in her relationship with Nick is slumming, what is his part in the relationship? Is she considered a trophy?
One more thing, as we know relationships are not static, Juliette may have been slumming but then she fell in love with Nick and that complicates things, Her boy-toy went from a article of convenience to a high maintenance object that she ultimately may have found she really did not desire once the shiny and new finish wore off.
And as I said, we really don't have any idea what Nick was thinking or even if he thinks very deeply. He seems very reactionary and emotionally immature to me. There are several possibilities there, one I mentioned was the I am god's gift to women another very real (as in reality based) possibility is he is so psychologically damaged by a feeling of childhood abandonment(orphan syndrome) that he is actually incapable of developing the true empathy for a partner in a relationship. He reacts to the threat of having a partner taken away much like a child reacts to losing a toy, but for no logical reason other than he thinks he wants. But when he has what he thought he wants he has no idea what to do with it. And yet another possibility is he is a narcissistic personality, I think there is enough evidence to make that case. There also is a potential puppy love factor with Nick, as he does seem remarkably immature for his biological age. Four or five years into the relationship and the puppy love has long worn off, and Nick really doesn't even know why he is in the relationship expect that he is suppose to be.
I mentioned I never cared for the royal, the baby, and the key threads among others and far more interested with the relationship, interaction, and character development of the main characters. To me, there is a lot that was left untapped in terms of bringing depth to the show instead of these long running subplots.