(12-26-2016, 09:41 AM)irukandji Wrote:(12-25-2016, 04:10 PM)Robyn Wrote:Quote:Syscrash wrote:
You can not sight one example of Nick showing sociopathic tendencies. You can not be a sociopath and have a group of friend that are willing to die for you.Quote:You're kidding, right? Jim Jones had a number of friends. Some of them took the koolaid right along with him. And if they didn't, he forced them to.
Irukandji wrote:
Sociopaths can be charming, charismatic and enigmatic. But let's put it this way. Can you cite a time when Nick stated these were his friends? I can't so I am asking. Can you cite a time where any of them stated they were willing to die for him? I know they went off on a few adventures where death could have occurred, but I don't consider that the same as offering their lives for his.
Jim Jones is an excellent example. Jones’ followers were dedicated to what they believed he represented. Which isn’t that different than Nick’s ‘friends’. I have always thought these characters behaved more like cult members than friends rallying for a common cause, and haven’t seen anything that makes me believe they would be so actively involved with Nick if he wasn’t a Grimm. It’s not Nick they’re drawn to, it’s the Grimm and wanting to be a part of the Grimm world that compels them to be loyal servants.
We have Nick the sociopath and Eve and Adalind, the hexenbiests. In terms of manipulation, how do you think Nick uses his sociopathic tendencies to manipulate Adalind? How did she use her hexenbiest attributes to manipulate him?
(12-26-2016, 09:41 AM)irukandji Wrote: We have Nick the sociopath and Eve and Adalind, the hexenbiests. In terms of manipulation, how do you think Nick uses his sociopathic tendencies to manipulate Adalind? How did she use her hexenbiest attributes to manipulate him?I don’t know that Adalind has ever used her Hexenbiest attributes to manipulate anyone, at lease not successfully. I don’t recall any example of Adalind capable of manipulating any man in the way Henrietta showed Nick.
She couldn’t manipulate Hank without a spell. She used a spell to manipulate Renard in order to conceive Diana. When she took Nick’s Grimm, I think she ramped up his enthusiastic participation by giving him a fantastic roll in the sack. At the precinct, Adalind was counting on Nick’s paternal instincts kicking in and having a greater positive effect than her as the mother would be a negative effect. Some think Adalind was manipulating Nick in S5, I don’t, but let’s say she was. Adalind didn’t appeal to Nick as a man - come to my bed, I want to feel you close to me - but rather, to Nick as a protector - I’m afraid, sleep in our room.
I think Adalind is manipulating herself into believing she loves Nick, he might could love her, and they could have a real relationship. And Nick is using that to his advantage. Adalind took sex off the table during their conversation after Juliette’s return. Then Nick is going to Germany and Adalind doesn’t suddenly just want sex, she’s professing to love him. Nick could have prevented anything from happening, but he didn’t. No attempt to discuss the pitfalls of moving too quickly or for the wrong reasons. And while Nick knew he didn’t know what he felt for Adalind, if anything, he continued to have sex with her whenever she initiated it. Nick was pacifying Adalind to keep things calm at home, make things easier for him. There wasn’t any reason for him to have sex with Adalind if he wasn’t into the idea, except to avoid unwanted conversations and keep the peace.
So I guess in a way Nick did use sociopath tendencies to manipulate/cajole Adalind in a way that benefited him. Much like Renard did.
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