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Nicholas "Nick" Burkhardt - New Guy - 12-10-2016

Greetings Forum,

The show is "Grimm." Nick is the titular character. He is The Grimm:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuLwvgVZlmg

Quote:There once was a man who lived a life so strange, it had to be true. Only he could see what no one else can. The darkness inside, the real monster within. And he's the one who must stop them. This is his calling. This is his duty. This is the life of a Grimm.

IMO, the show lost it's basic mission. All these love triangles, unwed mothers, potions, spells, betrayals have affected Nick. The creation of HW, FrankenEve, promotion of Renard to Mayor, etc. does not support the contention that it is Nick who sees the monsters within and that he is the one who must stop them.

Even NBC considers it to be a fantasy show about a "world of creatures" (Wesen), not a police drama or soap opera.

http://www.tvguide.com/news/grimm-renewed-season-6-nbc/

Quote:"We absolutely love what our producers and cast have accomplished over the past five seasons," NBC President of Entertainment Jennifer Salke said in a press statement. "They have created a whole new world of creatures and have a truly devoted fan base. We can't wait to see what comes next."

So Forum, how can Greenwalt & Kouf bring Grimm back on track and provide a satisfactory conclusion in the 13 remaining episodes. It is OK to discuss such issues even though most of season 6 has been filmed it does not begin to air until January 6, 2017.

N G


RE: Nicholas "Nick" Burkhardt - irukandji - 12-10-2016

Is there any reason why Nick can't simply go insane and hang himself? That would leave the characters free to make their own decisions.


RE: Nicholas "Nick" Burkhardt - New Guy - 12-10-2016

(12-10-2016, 10:51 AM)irukandji Wrote: Is there any reason why Nick can't simply go insane and hang himself? That would leave the characters free to make their own decisions.
Hi Iruk,
I know you would like to see Nick go away. However, if in episode 1.01 Nick sees Adalind woge, cannot handle it, goes insane and hangs himself in 1.02 would the show "Grimm" have continued? Recall how Hank, Wu and some minor characters flipped out when they say someone woge? So sure, that could have happened, but it didn't.
Love him or hate him, Nick is THE Grimm. No Nick, No Grimm, No show. He is essential.
Thanks for your post!
N G


RE: Nicholas "Nick" Burkhardt - irukandji - 12-10-2016

(12-10-2016, 11:03 AM)New Guy Wrote:
(12-10-2016, 10:51 AM)irukandji Wrote: Is there any reason why Nick can't simply go insane and hang himself? That would leave the characters free to make their own decisions.
Hi Iruk,
I know you would like to see Nick go away. However, if in episode 1.01 Nick sees Adalind woge, cannot handle it, goes insane and hangs himself in 1.02 would the show "Grimm" have continued? Recall how Hank, Wu and some minor characters flipped out when they say someone woge? So sure, that could have happened, but it didn't.
Love him or hate him, Nick is THE Grimm. No Nick, No Grimm, No show. He is essential.
Thanks for your post!
N G

Hi New Guy-
Well, actually I would like to see the final 13 episodes deal with the atrocities Nick has committed. For instance, episode one could deal with Monroe and Rosalee, episode two with Adalind, and so on and so forth. Episode 13 (and I find this so appropriate) ends with Nick going insane and hanging himself.


RE: Nicholas "Nick" Burkhardt - New Guy - 12-10-2016

(12-10-2016, 11:09 AM)irukandji Wrote:
(12-10-2016, 11:03 AM)New Guy Wrote:
(12-10-2016, 10:51 AM)irukandji Wrote: Is there any reason why Nick can't simply go insane and hang himself? That would leave the characters free to make their own decisions.
Hi Iruk,
I know you would like to see Nick go away. However, if in episode 1.01 Nick sees Adalind woge, cannot handle it, goes insane and hangs himself in 1.02 would the show "Grimm" have continued? Recall how Hank, Wu and some minor characters flipped out when they say someone woge? So sure, that could have happened, but it didn't.
Love him or hate him, Nick is THE Grimm. No Nick, No Grimm, No show. He is essential.
Thanks for your post!
N G

Hi New Guy-
Well, actually I would like to see the final 13 episodes deal with the atrocities Nick has committed. For instance, episode one could deal with Monroe and Rosalee, episode two with Adalind, and so on and so forth. Episode 13 (and I find this so appropriate) ends with Nick going insane and hanging himself.
Hi Iruk,
Can you clarify what "atrocities" Nick committed against Monroe and Rosalee. What did he commit against Adalind?
Thanks,
N G


RE: Nicholas "Nick" Burkhardt - irukandji - 12-10-2016

(12-10-2016, 11:49 AM)New Guy Wrote: Hi Iruk,
Can you clarify what "atrocities" Nick committed against Monroe and Rosalee. What did he commit against Adalind?
Thanks,
N G

Most certainly. Here's one:

Monroe and Rosalee-Nick had them aid him in the kidnapping of Diana

Adalind-He kidnapped Diana from her.


RE: Nicholas "Nick" Burkhardt - brandon - 12-10-2016

They did it to protect it. Nick always seeks to help people. Made mistakes like everyone else


RE: Nicholas "Nick" Burkhardt - New Guy - 12-10-2016

(12-10-2016, 12:14 PM)irukandji Wrote:
(12-10-2016, 11:49 AM)New Guy Wrote: Hi Iruk,
Can you clarify what "atrocities" Nick committed against Monroe and Rosalee. What did he commit against Adalind?
Thanks,
N G

Most certainly. Here's one:

Monroe and Rosalee-Nick had them aid him in the kidnapping of Diana

Adalind-He kidnapped Diana from her.
Hi Iruk,
I recall several characters participated in the kidnappings. In particular was it not Renard who designed the kidnapping and recruited the team including deception that the "Resistance" did it?
from 3.18, The Law of Sacrifice:
Quote:A short time later, Viktor and Rispoli are in the limo heading to the airport to go back to Austria. Viktor looks down at Diana, whose eyes turn purple. Viktor sees the picture of a young Nick in Kelly's locket, and when he reaches towards it, it snaps shut. Suddenly, there is a boiling sound as a lid on a cup of coffee shoots off the cup and the coffee floats out and forms a skull on the window before disappearing. The limo arrives to the plane, and as they get out, five masked people run up, guns drawn, ordering them in German to get on the ground. When Viktor steps out of the car, one of the attackers says to give them the baby. Viktor warns they don't know who they are dealing with, but the man asks in German, "Do you think the Resistance cares?" Viktor hands over Diana, and the five Resistance members get into the limo and drive off. As soon as they drive off, they take off their masks, revealing themselves to be Nick, Kelly, Renard, Hank, and Monroe. Kelly then tells Renard it has to be done, and he says he hopes she's right.
IMO, all five of the "kidnappers" agreed to work together. Nick didn't coerce anyone.
Also, Nick did not act alone in kidnapping Diana. IMO, Renard was much more instrumental in the "mission."
N G


RE: Nicholas "Nick" Burkhardt - irukandji - 12-10-2016

(12-10-2016, 01:12 PM)New Guy Wrote:
(12-10-2016, 12:14 PM)irukandji Wrote:
(12-10-2016, 11:49 AM)New Guy Wrote: Hi Iruk,
Can you clarify what "atrocities" Nick committed against Monroe and Rosalee. What did he commit against Adalind?
Thanks,
N G

Most certainly. Here's one:

Monroe and Rosalee-Nick had them aid him in the kidnapping of Diana

Adalind-He kidnapped Diana from her.
Hi Iruk,
I recall several characters participated in the kidnappings. In particular was it not Renard who designed the kidnapping and recruited the team including deception that the "Resistance" did it?
from 3.18, The Law of Sacrifice:
Quote:A short time later, Viktor and Rispoli are in the limo heading to the airport to go back to Austria. Viktor looks down at Diana, whose eyes turn purple. Viktor sees the picture of a young Nick in Kelly's locket, and when he reaches towards it, it snaps shut. Suddenly, there is a boiling sound as a lid on a cup of coffee shoots off the cup and the coffee floats out and forms a skull on the window before disappearing. The limo arrives to the plane, and as they get out, five masked people run up, guns drawn, ordering them in German to get on the ground. When Viktor steps out of the car, one of the attackers says to give them the baby. Viktor warns they don't know who they are dealing with, but the man asks in German, "Do you think the Resistance cares?" Viktor hands over Diana, and the five Resistance members get into the limo and drive off. As soon as they drive off, they take off their masks, revealing themselves to be Nick, Kelly, Renard, Hank, and Monroe. Kelly then tells Renard it has to be done, and he says he hopes she's right.
IMO, all five of the "kidnappers" agreed to work together. Nick didn't coerce anyone.
Also, Nick did not act alone in kidnapping Diana. IMO, Renard was much more instrumental in the "mission."
N G

Hi New Guy-
It doesn't matter if 2 people participated in the kidnappings or 20 people participated. It doesn't matter if Renard orchestrated it or not. You asked for an atrocity that Nick committed. Kidnapping is an atrocity.


RE: Nicholas "Nick" Burkhardt - New Guy - 12-10-2016

(12-10-2016, 01:14 PM)irukandji Wrote: It doesn't matter if 2 people participated in the kidnappings or 20 people participated. It doesn't matter if Renard orchestrated it or not. You asked for an atrocity that Nick committed. Kidnapping is an atrocity.
Hi Iruk,
You said:
Quote:Monroe and Rosalee-Nick had them aid him in the kidnapping of Diana
"had them" as in made the. He did not. They wanted to help. In fact Monroe was pleased at how well he spoke German.
You also said:
Quote:Adalind - He kidnapped Diana from her.
That was Renard acting alone. From 3.18 synopsis:
Quote:When Adalind arrives to the interview room, she is surprised to find Kelly there too. Adalind asks what she is doing there, and Kelly says she wanted to talk to her because, at the very least, she owes her an explanation. Kelly tells Adalind that she was looking for her the day Catherine died because of what she did to Juliette. ("Woman in Black") ("The Kiss") Kelly says that Catherine wouldn't say anything, so she had to make her because her other choice was to let Juliette die. While they are talking, Renard leaves the precinct with Diana. In the interview room, Adalind says she was angry at Nick because he took her powers. ("Love Sick") Adalind asks why they are having this conversation, and Kelly says she had to give up Nick because of who she was and if she hadn't done so, he might have been killed. Adalind tells her it's her problem and if she is looking for forgiveness, she doesn't have any. Kelly says she isn't looking for forgiveness, but she wants her to understand that "sometimes we have to sacrifice what we love most." As soon as Kelly says that, Adalind suddenly realizes what's going on and runs out of the room looking for Renard.
Perhaps Adalind blames Renard. Regardless when she realizes that Renard gave Diana to Victor she throws a hissy fit:
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However, Nick did participate in the rescue of Diana from Victor and is guilty of the "atrocity" of saving Diana from the Royals.
See if you can find an example we can agree on. Nick did some questionable things.
N G