10-27-2016, 07:44 AM
What is the reasons behind the fear in Grimm/Wesen relationships? Is it bias or genetic? As both are not pure human could evolution have played a role? Another question are Grimms also wesen?
10-27-2016, 07:44 AM
What is the reasons behind the fear in Grimm/Wesen relationships? Is it bias or genetic? As both are not pure human could evolution have played a role? Another question are Grimms also wesen?
10-27-2016, 08:54 AM
(10-27-2016, 07:44 AM)jsgrimm45 Wrote: What is the reasons behind the fear in Grimm/Wesen relationships? Is it bias or genetic? As both are not pure human could evolution have played a role? Another question are Grimms also wesen? Wesen and Grimms think they are different but we do know the magical/biology differences except wesen have a need to woge sometimes and Grimms do not. I hope the show answer this question during the last season. My bet is a woge is extracting some kind of magical biology substance from the environment that is needed for their abilities. Grimms do not need to this for similar abilities and my guess is either their bodies make the substance or can store it so they are not required to woge or full woge (if you count the eyes as a small woge). The answer to this question will likely affect Kelly's powers and whether he woges other than his eyes.
10-28-2016, 06:50 AM
for me the Woge is even presented to another "Wesen".like dogs scenting.while "GRIMM" are human attitudes.
10-28-2016, 08:12 AM
(This post was last modified: 10-28-2016, 08:12 AM by MarylikesGrimm.)
(10-28-2016, 06:50 AM)brandon Wrote: for me the Woge is even presented to another "Wesen".like dogs scenting.while "GRIMM" are human attitudes. Often wesen can hide from another wesen for long periods of time, for example wesen cops did not know that Renard was a wesen. Grimms are not normal humans otherwise Nick would be an average human in strength and the like. Do you mean that Grimms are just a version of superhumans?
10-29-2016, 05:38 AM
what the Woge it's like when people greet,It is also to intimidate other.Renard does not know if it is natural that is not shown, it is more reserved.and also it has to do with control of each.
"GRIMM" are human super-human -whether or something else-simply I say they have attitudes of ordinary humans would not show well.They do only other animals-we are included in the group primates-
11-13-2016, 06:09 PM
What I notice out of five seasons of watching how all members of the wesen community react that is different then how humans react. The humans are always hesitant to use violence or deadly force. When it comes to wesen unless they know they are out matched. They always go at a confrontation with the main goal survival. Without exception wesen go for the kill. They tap into a primal animalistic instinct. Watching Kelly and Trubel. They also tape into that same animalistic instinct. The difference. wesen have a reason for a kill. Even if the reason is for sport or survival. Grimms will kill because of wesen being wesen. Take the fights. Nick and Hank will knock people out even though they carry a gun. When wesen fight, have you seen a survivor. Even Monroe always says I'm good when preparing for a fight. Meaning his intent is to go for the throat. . Take Tribuanl. Wu and Hank hesitated to shot. Sean did not even blink before killing the guys Hank could not shot. In the first scene of the fight Though they all had guns drawn. Nick and Juliette where the only one to shot. Nick hit the first guy in the shoulder spinning him around. Juliette was the only one to to shot the guy dead center knocking him off his feet. Which brings me to what will Eve be in season 6. She will still be a hexenbiest like in season 4. A season which showed she tapped into her animallistic instinct. What HW did was put her in permanent predator mode. In season 4 she had a killer instinct but she also had what makes the other humans hesitate to make a kill. What HW did was remove the human hesitation. So will she now have the capability without the ability. Will she at least have the ability she had in season 4. or will she go all the way back to season one Juliette and again be the victim.
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11-13-2016, 08:37 PM
(This post was last modified: 11-13-2016, 08:44 PM by FaceInTheCrowd.)
I don't think it's necessarily a human hesitation, but probably more of a cop thing for Nick and Hank, because they're trained to evaluate a situation and avoid the use of deadly force unless they're convinced there's no alternative (Sean would be an exception, because he's basically just been pretending to be a good cop his entire career in law enforcement).
We didn't see Trubel hesitate to kill when she first appeared on the scene, and we certainly never saw Meisner display the slightest reluctance. And then there are those wesen we've seen who believe they've drifted away from their roots and actually work at training others back to the old ways, like the mama jägerbar in season 1 and the blutbads who ran the back to nature camping trips. So there's probably as much nurture and training at work as there is nature.
11-13-2016, 10:09 PM
Lets luck at Wu. During Tribunal he hesitated. In north precinct When Wu was attacked without hesitation and ripped the two cops apart. In the alley he did that same thing with the wesen that was following him. Both times it was primal instinct instead of his human instincts that controlled his actions. In the police station he had the choice to run. Yet when the two officers woged Wu stopped turned and killed them both. Even after ward there was no issue with in him that he had just killed two people. Unlike the guy in the ally. But he was not in control of the his beast when he killed the guy in the ally. This idea of understanding wesen seems to be a problem with a lot of people. They keep wanting to see them as people that can woge. People just can't understand the bases of the show is, what makes us different then all other animals on this planet. We live by the laws of society and suppress our primal nature. Wesen are just the opposite.
I have seen all kind of explanations for wesen behavior. People keep wanting it to be lack of morals, lack of humanity, lack of empathy. It is none of those. Definition of wesen behavior is simple. It is survival of the fittest. When someone tries to use animal behavior as an anoalogy. the first reply is we are not animals. Forget that is exactly what wesen are. Even Monroe and Rosale though the present themselves as domesticated. Even the most domesticated animal if provoked will attack.
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11-14-2016, 12:00 AM
(This post was last modified: 11-14-2016, 12:03 AM by FaceInTheCrowd.)
Except that humans are animals, despite some peoples' denial. We have all the same primal instincts as any other animal, just tempered - or some might say suppressed - by all the discipline imposed upon us by our parents and by civilization at large. The reason we humans don't respond to threats the same way as wild animals is not because we are inherently different from those animals, but because we have our wildness trained out of us starting at birth.
11-22-2016, 05:20 AM
(10-27-2016, 07:44 AM)jsgrimm45 Wrote: What is the reasons behind the fear in Grimm/Wesen relationships? Is it bias or genetic? As both are not pure human could evolution have played a role? Another question are Grimms also wesen? Hi jsgrimm45. I think the show gives signs the grimm/Wesen fear is a learned thing. Almost all wesen (including Monroe) have stories from their parents about how dangerous it could be for a wesen to deal with a Grimm. There few wesen types that worked with Grimms in the past and apparently they don't fear the Grimms today, like Chavez type wesen. There was also that turtle type wesen that was killed by the Grimm with Darwin that Nick read about. That wesen never saw grimm before so they didn't feared the Grimm. But looking to real life there is a theory called Dual inheritance theory (DIT), also known as gene–culture coevolution or biocultural evolution. It holds that genetic and cultural evolution interacted in the evolution of human beings. In other words, cultural traits alter the social and physical environments under which genetic selection operates. For example, the cultural adoptions of agriculture and dairying have, in humans, caused genetic selection for the traits to digest starch and lactose, respectively. This can be considered in the show and applyed in the grimm/Wesen relationship. Don't you think? About the grimm being wesen question I think the show never completely explained what a wesen really is. I mean... Lá llhorona for example... Was that a wesen or something else? If wesen is any magical or like human animal being not pure human, a Grimm is clearly not only human. A Grimm is human and something else. By this I think grimm is closer to wesen than to humans. |
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