(12-26-2017, 04:30 PM)ikarinokami Wrote: honesty and trust are not the same thing. sure they had trust issues, but they were honest about them, and honest about why they mistrusted he each, and honest about the fact that these trust issues existed, and honest about who they were as person. Once Nick became a Grimm Juliette and Nick never honest with each other sure they trusted each other, but they were never honest with each other. which is why after he became a grimm it's hard to say nick and julliette ever understood each other anymore.
This is one of the best description of the underlying differences between the two relationships. I think you've hit the nail dead centre. Nick and Adalind had bigger issues to get past, problems within the relationship but they weren't in denial about it. Adalind points it out that there is major trust issues even as Nick knowingly sleeps with her as a hexenbiest. I'm not keen to use the word because it's so loaded and speaks to more than just one thing but he accepted Adalind and what she was and I think that's because he knew her first as a hexenbiest so trust issues come with the territory and isn't surprising once they start pursuing a romantic relationship. Nick may not have loved Adalind during most of S5 but he never hid who and what he was from her and eventually she did the same, I'm referring to beyond Adalind's confession, if this makes any sense. I'm not talking about what she was but rather who she'd become as someone with hexenbiest powers. She was no longer defined by them.
Nick and Juliette were the exact opposite. They did lack honesty, withholding the truth about something fundamental about who they were as people once they both transformed. You see it in S1 with the first lie and later when Nick couldn't admit to Juliette he wanted his Grimm back and she did the same by not insisting she was happy his Grimm was gone. Juliette, ironically adopts the same stance at the end of season 4. She holds herself off from Nick, drawing a line in the sand that she now believes can never be crossed. They both changed and at different times they both tried holding on to the past, believing that's what they had to do to be happy instead of embracing the changes in each other. Juliette eventually resented Nick's Grimm, Nick couldn't get over his own guilt for what happened to Juliette so no matter what they'd always be a barrier between them. It's unfortunate that deep down they couldn't truly find acceptance in each other despite loving one another and suffered extreme consequences for it.
The only other difference between them is how each woman reacts after confessing their powers to Nick. They both tell him they were afraid he'd kill them, he didn't. Adalind was desperate to hold on to what little they had despite the differences. Juliette couldn't see past their differences and ultimately turned their relationship adversarial in her mind. In Adalind, Nick found someone who could understand him, what he was and even though he knew Adalind first as an enemy, there was still some understanding in that, she was a hexenbiest and still it expanded when he saw how she mothered his son. Nick and Adalind had a level of expectations from one another as a Grimm and a Hexenbiest but if they wanted more from one another they both understood they had to work towards remedying the problems they both knew they had, such as the lack of trust. That's why S6 looks very different for them than S5. There's positive growth compared to the regression Nick and Juliette suffered as time passed.
These are the Google definitions of the trust and honesty, they are similar in some ways but quite different:
Trust is having faith, confidence, firm belief in the reliability, truth, or ability of someone or something.
Honesty is the quality of being truthful, genuine, forthright and sincere etc