07-25-2016, 05:15 PM (This post was last modified: 07-25-2016, 05:23 PM by Robyn.)
Not sure what else to say, but since you started a thread for it… I began to speculate Kelly was formulating a plan to take Diana during the plane trip back to the states conversation, so I watched again to refresh the details.
Kelly has a strange, almost worrisome expression when she learns the baby is a girl. Don’t know what that means, but assume there was a reason for her reaction.
Kelly tells Adalind it’s tough raising a baby when you’re on the run, then explains that only Adalind’s life was saved because the Royals would never have killed the baby, they want it too badly. She then asks Adalind if she plans on keeping her, explaining that as long as she has that child they won’t stop trying to find her.
When Adalind tells Kelly she won’t let anyone take her child, they will have to kill her first, Kelly says she sounds like a mother then suggests she hold the baby while Adalind sleeps. This is when Kelly dangles the locket. A locket isn’t going to catch the gaze of a normal infant. The only reason for Kelly to do this is to gauge the baby’s powers. The baby’s level of power is more than Kelly expected.
Kelly displays a few seconds of tenderness. She hums to the baby before pulling out the locket, and when the locket falls open she looks lovingly at Nick’s picture as a young boy.
It could be that Kelly was formulating a plan but had not yet committed to it. But once learning Nick & Juliette hate Adalind and why, and the ritual used to get Adalind’s Hexenbiest back, I think Kelly committed to her plan and set about to make it happen.
I try not to excuse a character’s behavior because he/she is a favorite. And Adalind is definitely a favorite (at least prior to S5). But I don’t dismiss that Adalind and the baby were in danger because of her actions. This wasn’t happenstance or circumstances out of her control. Adalind made a plan to get her Hexenbiest back and carried it out. That she had an epiphany and realized she loved her baby is positive character evolution, but it doesn’t negate her actions/decisions leading up to her epiphany.
By the same token Kelly is responsible for the fallout of her actions/decision. As it did with Adalind, Kelly’s decision created a domino effect with devastating results. The events of S4 rest on Kelly, not Adalind. Kelly took responsibility for the devastation that later occurred the minute she chose to shut out the Resistance and make all the decisions concerning Adalind & Diana. Nick & Juliette wholly onboard with Kelly taking the baby makes them responsible for their blowback just as Adalind was responsible for hers.
"If my devils are to leave me, I am afraid my angels will take flight as well." Rainer Maria Rilke
Kelly mission was to get Diana. That she took Adalind on the plane with her I think has a lot to do with how the hand off went. Kelly finding out that the Royals knew the original plan. Adalind being submissive I think had a lot to do with Kelly's decision to take Adalind with her.
I don't think Kelly would have went to Portland if she knew the connection Adalind had there. Like Adalind said Kelly would have killed her if she had know who she was.
Once she found out who Adalind was. I don't think Kelly had any intention of including Adalind in any plan. If for no other reason she can not trust her.
Remember Kelly had all intentions of going up and getting Diana by any means necessary.
See I see things differently. Remember when Adalind leaves NIck's and Kelly and him are waking back to the house, paraphrasing here she said something along the lines of Adalind talking about someone she knew, Nick says Sean Renard Kelly says that it. Than Nick tells her about Renard and says by the way he is a royal.
Now at the house before thing calm down Kelly says I just needed a safe place for them until I can figure something out. She said them not Diana alone.
He doesn't tell her Renard is on the outs with the royals so Kelly might think oh great I just get her and Diana away from the royals and she goes back to a royal. Now we can only guess the that may have happen. When the get to the apt on the way Nick tells her that Sean isn't all that bad again paraphrasing. She starts to walk in and Nick stop her saying he will kill you and she says not if I kill him first, she didn't say kill him and Adalind.
Now in the apt Nick and Sean talk and again paraphrasing says it not him or his mother they have to worry about and they will need their help.
Now on the street Kelly see Weston Steward pull in and the two verrat that starts the royal problem so to speak. Now this is the time I think the plan to save Renard, Adalind, Diana, and later we find out even Elizabeth this is when Kelly starts thinking of a plan. Do we know who really thought of the plan? We may even think Renard as he is always planning against the royals? We don't know who made the real plan so saying Kelly may be wrong completely. IMO
Learning about Adalind and the Royals coming to Portland certainly sprung Kelly into action, but the conversation on the plane substantiates that Kelly was trying to convince Adalind to give her the baby shortly after takeoff. I believe Kelly was convinced Adalind would fight to the death, and Renard confirmed this by telling Kelly that Adalind would never give up Diana.
The show doesn’t reveal the plan being set up, but I assume Nick & Renard falsified paperwork that resulted in Kelly’s arrest. And Renard and Kelly probably cooked up the idea of the gang pretending to be the Resistance.
Looking only at intent based on the Kelly scenes & conversations, I believe Kelly intended to take the gifted/powerful baby from the very beginning. Not bringing them to Portland or the Royals not coming to Portland wouldn’t have changed Kelly’s ultimate plan. She would have at some point either killed Adalind or stranded her somewhere and took off with the baby.
We probably view Kelly’s actions and motivation differently because we view the character differently. That Kelly is a Grimm or Nick’s mother is irrelevant to me. I’m looking purely at her actions and mind-set. The same goes for Adalind. She has a baby everyone is willing to kill for because of her selfish and ill-conceived scheme to get her Hexenbiest back. However, nothing Adalind did granted Kelly supreme authority. Kelly’s ego-driven decision caused as many, if not more problems, than Adalind’s selfish and ill-conceived scheme.
"If my devils are to leave me, I am afraid my angels will take flight as well." Rainer Maria Rilke
When Kelly went to get on the plane Adalind still had Diana. Kelly turn a went to go get on the plane. Telling Adalind it was her choice if she wanted to stay. There is two ways to look at it. Once she saw Diana with her mother. Kelly changed her mind and she was not going to separate a child from it's mother. If Adalind had not choose to get on the plane Kelly would have left without Diana. The other is She knew Adalind would choose to get on the plan. That would put Diana in Kelly possession without conflict.
The conversation on the plane gave me the impression. It was to provide us and Kelly a reason to have compassion for Adalind. Pure speculation on my part is that it was Sean's idea to not include Adalind in Kelly's escape with Diana.
Adeline had given birth and been on the run since a few hours after delivery. When she got on the plane Kelly asked if she had slept, Adeline said something like "I haven't really had the time", so Kelly took the baby while Adeline took a much needed rest. To distract Diana Kelly dangled a shiny item(locket) in front of her--based on my own experience, a good way to keep a new born distracted. The plan to go to Portland was an unexpected Plan B, until "we come up with something better". If she had known about Nick, Adeline and Renard's past history, she probably would have chosen another place to go. Seemed like a good idea at the time. It would have been easy for two women(mother and daughter/significant others) with a child to have hidden out, but it takes time to cook up a plan. Since they just had Brazil rials with her, was there a better place for them to hide for a few weeks? The royals could have tracked two women and a child a lot easier, just one with survival skills could hide better. For a plan on the fly, it worked okay for a while. Fatal flaw, Kelly kept in touch with Nick, exposing herself to discovery. If she had kept off the grid, Diana would never have bee a plot line, Nick and Adeline's plot line would have been different, the Renard/Adeline marriage would not be an issue. Easy to second guess.
I don't think Kelly was thinking as a Grimm or as Nick's mother when she decided to kidnap Diana for herself. I have no idea what she was thinking. I can only compare her to those women who decide to haunt a hospital nursery and then kidnap someone's baby and go on the run. There's nothing else I can equate it to other than insanity.
While it seems Adalind took some unorthodox steps to get her powers back and affected her baby in the process, it was entirely her decision.
What's interesting to me is what these hexenbiests can do without any repercussions at all. The wesen have the Council, which in most cases is useless, but has stepped in on occasion when wesen have violated the code. Apparently hexenbiests have no such authority and so are free to create whatever they wish as the result of their spells. As a result, Adalind's baby is Adalind's problem.
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07-27-2016, 10:08 AM (This post was last modified: 07-27-2016, 10:09 AM by jsgrimm45.)
To add a different side to the thread. We know Kelly left young Nick with Marie why? Was it because it was her husband and friend killed for the coins? Was it a because she was the oldest? Was it because Kelly was more ruthless? We seen Kelly attack Monroe and Rosalee without questioning what they were doing there. Marie had told Nick to hunt down and kill the bad ones not all wesen.
After all Kelly had Nick but Marie was free in a way to go without any problem. Now how does this relate to this thread. We seen early on at the house with the clocks going cuckoo when Kelly show up Diana went back to normal. In the truck after taking Diana, Diana wasn't crying for mom. So Kelly must somehow connected to Diana at that time iMO better than Adalind.
In the car with Viktor she show Viktor something was going to happen so did she know she would be with Kelly?