(02-16-2016, 09:25 AM)irukandji Wrote: I'm wondering if there is a greater good here.
In the the end that comes down to prospective and belief and IMO even nick and his friends are guilty of it. most of the time the greater good has nothing to do with morality and the law.
Are bc wrong for wanting to stop hiding from who they are in order to blend in with a race that doesn't understand them and ultimately reject them out of fear.
However wesen coming out to humans and trying too subjugate them may have dire consequences violence, prejudice, not to mention how a lot of wesen culture involed killing and/or eating innocence. So even if you don't approve of their methods is HW wrong in trying to stop that from happening
As for nick and his friends do think most of nick fellow cops would approve of what nick does bending the law,off the book killings and tampering crime scenes and evidence to cover up in the eyes if the law their own crimes. Then there's them stealing Diana from Adalind morally that was wrong but they thouht it was for the best I,e the greater good.
(02-16-2016, 09:25 AM)irukandji Wrote: I'm wondering if there is a greater good here.
Yes, there is a greater good here. But, this is one time the writers are actually getting something (sorta) correct. Back in my military days I had opportunity (unfortunately) to see into that "spook" world on a few occasions.
That black ops sh^t really is like that. One reason I never could really stomach it. I understood the neccessity, but did not like the practices.
I assure you that the CIA, MI-6 or the Israeli Mossad would not find the kind of things we've seen HW do so far out of the ordinary at all.
(02-16-2016, 10:33 AM)wfmyers1207 Wrote: I assure you that the CIA, MI-6 or the Israeli Mossad would not find the kind of things we've seen HW do so far out of the ordinary at all.
Unfortunately there is no CIA, MI-6 or the Israeli Mossad to lend credence to Grimm. There is only the Wall.
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The greater good is that BC must be eliminated at all costs to safe guard the people. And that might include unorthodox methods or kamikaze style. As pointed out Nick and Co have also done stuff in an unorthodox manner as a mean to an end. HW will no doubt go there, if not worse.
(02-16-2016, 09:25 AM)irukandji Wrote: I'm wondering if there is a greater good here.
In the the end that comes down to prospective and belief and IMO even nick and his friends are guilty of it. most of the time the greater good has nothing to do with morality and the law.
Are bc wrong for wanting to stop hiding from who they are in order to blend in with a race that doesn't understand them and ultimately reject them out of fear.
However wesen coming out to humans and trying too subjugate them may have dire consequences violence, prejudice, not to mention how a lot of wesen culture involed killing and/or eating innocence. So even if you don't approve of their methods is HW wrong in trying to stop that from happening
Precisely. Wesen had the Wesen Council to enforce their own code of law and it did a good job of doing so, imo. Wesen who took advantage of, or inflicted injury or death upon, kehrseite were severely sanctioned by the WC because such actions were strictly prohibited by the code the Council was formed to enforce. They were needed because most of the time crimes committed by wesen were unenforceable in the kehrseite system of justice - because testimony involving seeing wesen would not be allowed as evidence in court most of the time.
I don't see any problem with wesen desiring equal rights, if that could be achieved by a society at our stage of awareness of equal rights for all, but wanting to subjugate kehrseite to their rule is definitely wrong.
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But what if there are two sides to the Black Claw? The could be one side that is just fighting for the rights of wesen without enslaving other species. There could be another side that is radical.
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(02-16-2016, 10:33 AM)wfmyers1207 Wrote: I assure you that the CIA, MI-6 or the Israeli Mossad would not find the kind of things we've seen HW do so far out of the ordinary at all.
Unfortunately there is no CIA, MI-6 or the Israeli Mossad to lend credence to Grimm. There is only the Wall.
And HW is almost certainly made up of members of those organizations, as well as the FBI, and still other countries intelligence agencies. Only way something like that could work, since they operate all over the world.
(02-16-2016, 11:23 AM)wfmyers1207 Wrote: And HW is almost certainly made up of members of those organizations, as well as the FBI, and still other countries intelligence agencies. Only way something like that could work, since they operate all over the world.
I think of it as sort of a black ops NATO.
Most definitely. But if that was the case, they certainly wouldn't be looking at people like Monroe and Rosalee to join. I don't see Hank and Wu as being qualified either.
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(02-16-2016, 11:23 AM)irukandji Wrote: But what if there are two sides to the Black Claw? The could be one side that is just fighting for the rights of wesen without enslaving other species. There could be another side that is radical.
It wouldn't be unusual for factions to develop within one organization. It's probably true of most. Guess it would depend on the cause being supported by who's issuing the orders and we may get an insight into that soon. If the BC members who are just rising for their rights without trampling on those of others, I'm all for it.
But it's a sticky wicket on how that would explain the all-out assault that seems to be the object of HW regarding BC. It would seem to make HW the bad guys. I'm just not there yet, but am waiting for some clarification from the show's writers to let us in on the real skinny about this war.
wfmyers1207 (welcome back!) has a point about how really dirty and immoral most covert fighting becomes; maybe all wars are reduced to that level in order to match what the other side is doing or to simply win at all costs.
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