(03-23-2019, 01:34 PM)Hexenadler Wrote: I don't buy it. Good characters can be just as compelling to watch as "evil" characters, and I really think it's just the mood of the current zeitgeist to think noble personalities can only be used in stories as victims or fools. Maybe G&K intended Nick to be a "conflicted" protagonist when they first started out, but as the series wore on, they couldn't be bothered to directly address his more...PROBLEMATIC decisions. Besides, I never found Nick to be an overly compelling character, for all his so-called moral ambiguity. It was the rest of the cast who usually held my attention, even if they participated in dubious activities themselves now and again.
With the exception of a few television series/movies, I don't consider good characters as victims or fools. If written well, they are absolutely compelling and interesting. Good characters are, however, often limited by the very restraints that make them a good character. Evil characters are not subject to such limitations and are free to do whatever.
This is not the case in Grimm. There is not one good character in show in my opinion. They are all various degrees of bad/evil and are not restrained by the bonds of goodness.
By the way, I totally agree with you about Nick.
(03-23-2019, 11:37 AM)FaceInTheCrowd Wrote:(03-23-2019, 09:04 AM)irukandji Wrote: Making a safe haven seems like a good idea, but not in the city of Portland. By the time BC comes into the picture, there are too many things against Portland that would make it anything but a safe haven for BC.
Portland had a substantial wesen population, and more specifically, a substantial wesen criminal element, with a wesen police captain, a cast-out royal with unrealized power ambitions who had his hands in all sorts of criminal activities (in S01 it was established that the Portland criminal underworld paid "tribute" to Renard, and we never saw or heard anything to suggest that he had ever given that up). The only problematic element was the fact that there was a grimm in town, and what's one grimm when you have an army?
Yes, Nick had the stick and there was an HW base in the city, but BC didn't know about the stick and HW proved to be pretty impotent as a threat without the aid of the grimm and their trained hexenbiest.
I thought I had read once that the population of Portland and it's surrounding communities is something along the line of 2 million people. Is that correct?
What is considered a substantial wesen population? 10%? 20%? If 200K, what is a substantial percentage of criminal wesen? 50K?
Were there any more than perhaps 200-300 wesen at the BC rallies?
I have no doubt Renard had his fingers in a few pies, but he is not the only police captain in the city of Portland. He may have the wesen criminal underworld at his fingertips, but in view of the criminal element, just how many of those belong to the wesen criminal underworld?
The other rather huge elephant in the room that is being pointedly ignored is the human element with its own very large population, consisting of criminals, criminal underworld, police captains, and persons with unrealized ambitions.
As long as both HW and BC ignore the human element, they are doomed organizations and Portland is a poor safe haven for either one.
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