(06-25-2018, 01:42 AM)syscrash Wrote:Quote:Rosalee lunged at it because it was the only potion they had. That makes it valuable enough to save it.Save it for what. Something only has value if someone wants it.
The only potion is going to be preserved by anyone with even a little bit of sense.
Take IZombie for example. What if Ravi had a cure for Liv but she decided not to take it. Do you think he would be okay with destroying it or keep it in case she decided she wanted it at some later time?
Like I said, the decision to take it always belonged to Juliette. They would keep it in case she decided she wanted it some day. If that day never came, the potion wouldn't be used unless some other human became a Hexenbiest.
We have seen transformations throughout the show such as Rosalee, Hank, Nick, and Renard's respective afflictions. They had no control over what they became. That's why they were force fed cures. Juliette embraced the Hexenbiest but she still made her own decisions which is why she was the only one given a choice to take a solution to her problem. Nobody forced her to do anything since she became a Hexenbiest.
(06-25-2018, 01:42 AM)syscrash Wrote: Rosalee would've just kept the potion until Juliette decided she wanted to take it just like the original plan was before the confrontation
Quote:And that is the problem with your argument. You continue to see the potion as a cure and the best solution for Juliette. Like Nick, you accepting that Juliette is a hexenbiest seems to not be seen as an option. Even though in the show, it is shown the potion is not a cure because it wares off. The show also shows had Juliette taken the potion, the factory ambush would have end with them all dead. Since Eve would not have been their to save them.
Here is the other problem. You do not see Rosalee coming towards Juliette as an attack because of your reason why she was coming towards Juliette.
Your view might hold water if we where talking about people. We have seen six years of how wesen attack. In every case without exception, they lung for the throat. A move that is reminiscent of Rosalee move. Based on six season of wesen attacks, a wesen lunging is an attack.
There is on basic concept that is completely over looked. That concept is no means no. Juliette said no, she did not want to take it. They just could not take no for an answer. Even to the point of pressuring her.
Anyone familiar with my posts would know that I never once argued Juliette should've taken the suppressant. I always said she had every right not to take it. However, that does not equate to me thinking the suppressant should be destroyed. I'm not arguing for either. I don't see why I need to take such an extreme position. I know the suppressant isn't a cure so the argument against the scoobies becomes weaker when that gets taken into consideration.
I don't consider what Rosalee did an attack and I doubt Juliette did as well. It seemed like she attacked Rosalee because she was trying to save the suppressant and that's after Rosalee made it clear what she was attempting to do. Attacking Juliette actually increases the chances of the suppressant hitting the floor since it was hovering in the air due to Juliette's control.
Besides. you say that what Rosalee did could be considered an attack but I've seen you argue that Juliette shaking the shop shouldn't be considered a threat. One of these makes more sense than the other considering who Rosalee is and her relationship to Juliette compared to Juliette's recent attitude and actions.
Juliette said no and she shouldn't take it if she didn't want to and I never argued otherwise. I also acknowledge that this is the same Juliette who blamed everyone in that room for becoming a Hexenbiest three episodes previous and said she was in hell just one episode previous so keeping the only suppressant around in case she wanted to drink it doesn't seem like such a bad idea especially since it's not a cure.
(06-25-2018, 04:22 AM)irukandji Wrote: I think we all agree that it was Juliette's decision on whether or not she was going to take the potion. At the point where Rosalee lunged at her, Juliette hadn't refused to take the potion and she hadn't destroyed it. Juliette was levitating the jar so the potion had not been destroyed. What was Rosalee doing interfering when she herself handed the potion over to Juliette?
Rosalee was clearly afraid Juliette would drop the suppressant. Juliette had no reason to levitate the jar so of course Rosalee would attempt to catch it. There's no doubt about it. Preventing the jar from hitting the ground is not an interference. It's simply preventing the suppressant from being destroyed.
(06-25-2018, 04:22 AM)irukandji Wrote: He had no problem telling her to get out at the precinct and according to most here, that was an even more violent confrontation than the spice shop. The thing is, she left.
That was before Juliette burnt the trailer. Like I said, her acts of aggression were escalating. Their concerns about her were pretty explicit at the beginning of this very episode.
(06-25-2018, 04:22 AM)irukandji Wrote: And if a pretty please wasn't going to do it, then why would you think that if the scoobies said pretty please to Juliette in the first place, she would just fall over, thank her lucky stars and take the potion?
I never said Juliette would take the potion. The pretty please was in reference to getting Juliette to leave the shop. That clearly wouldn't have worked which is why they went on the offensive after being attacked by Juliette.
(06-25-2018, 04:22 AM)irukandji Wrote: What exactly was Monroe going to do? Even you have to admit that woging and going after a hexenbiest who could easily kill him was foolhardy. And it stands to reason that such a foolhardy action is going to make the gun toting Nick and Hank raise the stakes even higher by drawing their weapons. All because Rosalee interfered where she shouldn't have interfered.
Monroe is also the guy who told Nick he wanted him to continue coming to him for help despite being jumped and threatened further just for associating with him.
It may have been foolhardy but Monroe will always defend Rosalee no matter the odds. That has been his character since the start of his romance. He would die, and nearly did, fighting on her behalf. Someone attacking her ranks even higher on his list than someone attacking Nick. Nobody attacks Rosalee and gets away with it as long as he's around. The outcome may not turn out so well but that doesn't change what he would do.
(06-25-2018, 04:22 AM)irukandji Wrote: Why bring guns to a confrontation with Juliette when none of them had been attacked by her?
They don't have to be defenseless against her. They're cops so of course they brought guns. They shouldn't be expected not to defend themselves once something goes wrong. They probably would've done more had it not been Juliette. Being cautious isn't something that should be held against them and we saw that they didn't pull them out until after Rosalee and Monroe were tossed out of the way.
We all knew the guns wouldn't work but this happens in a lot of shows including the Gifted. Cops instinctively pull guns even when dealing with someone like Polaris. It also happened in Heroes when an agent pulled a gun on someone who they knew could control people like puppets.