05-26-2018, 09:00 AM
(This post was last modified: 05-26-2018, 09:13 AM by dicappatore.)
(05-26-2018, 07:43 AM)Robyn Wrote:(05-23-2018, 08:00 AM)dicappatore Wrote:I’m not convinced Nick/Juliette or the Juliette character was destroyed specifically for Nick/Adalind or the Adalind character. That would require an assumption that G & K originally planned for Nick/Juliette to survive her becoming a Hexenbiest, didn’t originally plan for Juliette to become a spell-created Hexenbiest, or didn’t originally plan to reinvent Juliette as Eve. And we simply don’t know their plans for the characters or when they were conceived.(05-22-2018, 01:19 PM)Tara Wrote: It was really bad written. That is one of the reason why I despise Nadalind - if they really had planned in a long time they didn't needed to destroy Juliette just because for the benefit from Adalind. They could have make it in a different why. If it really should have been - to put them together they could have miss out the rape thing without destroy Juliette.
Tara, IMO, the writers were, to some extent, responding to some fan driven opinions. The Adalind character was originally supposed to supplement the Aunt Marie arc but the fans took to her character and they responded with more Adalind. Is this a recipe for great writing or a recipe to maintain a larger fan base?
These same fans also did not respond well to the Juliette character. You can blame the writing, the actor, the settings or anything else some want to think about but those are the realities. If you were the writers of this show, what would be your priorities? The roof and food it was providing or the development of a fictional character on a frictional TV show?
These are some of the realities we need to accept about this show…
The reversal spell was presented as an extremely dangerous undertaking. There was never a question of side effects, only what those side effects might be. For me, the show later deciding the spell wouldn’t have negative repercussions would be akin to the unexplained disappearance of the Royals and the Resistance after being a pivotal part of the back story for four seasons.
I agree with dicappatore that Adalind remaining as a recurring character was the result of an unexpected overwhelming response from viewers. But Claire Coffee took on a one-storyline role and made it into something viewers wanted expanded. In contrast, Bitsie Tulloch’s role as Juliette, the girlfriend was rather restrictive. As the hero’s antagonist, Adalind was given a back story and side story to support her existence and alliances. As the hero’s girlfriend Juliette was given the role of supportive helpmate providing woe-is-me for the hero and the ex-supportive helpmate providing woe-is-me for the hero.
I couldn’t care less about ‘good guys’ and ‘bad guys’ labels. Bad guys should do bad things that are interesting and entertaining. Otherwise they become unnecessary stick figures, which brings Renard to mind. For a while the writers seemed to forget the character was introduced as a self-serving half-Zauberbiest / half-Royal with a personal agenda.
Nor do I care about who hooks up with who and why. I just need the story behind the hookups to be interesting and entertaining to watch. Nick/Adalind in an adversarial relationship was, for the most part, interesting and entertaining. Nick/Adalind, the couple was the same boring fodder as Nick/Juliette, the couple. Both relationships were extensions of the hero’s life and which female character was designated as the supportive helpmate was irrelevant to the writers’ purpose for the relationship.
Robyn, you make some valid arguments and hard for me to disagree. Unfortunately, for these female characters, this show was not centered on them, instead it was centered on the Nick character. If some of these forum contributors want to see females in starting roles as heroes. Why try justifying by looking into this show? I say to them, look elsewhere, like Supergirl, Wonder Woman, Buffy, Nikita, Jessica Jones and many others.
It is unbelievable to what some will go to what extent to make the TV show Grimm about Juliette. I am constantly reminded, me a DC fan, by my daughter, a Marvel fan, on how Marvel is dis-respecting women super heroes compared to the DC products we see on the movie screen and TV. That is her opinion.
I have my favorites for this show and I have my dislikes. I have posted on a few threads, my opinion on the Juliette character and my judgement of her promiscuous past. Many have disagreed with me, including you and some of the Nick's fans. I have no problems with our varied opinions. When I posted my justifications of my opinion of her, I used actual scenes with dialogues from the script. We might disagree on our interpretations of those scenes but I did not pull them out of my arse either.
Case in point, look at this thread. "Nick's obsession-demoting Juliette to normal human".
1st, where is the obsession of her demotion? Fact, for the most part of her transformation, no one knew of it. Once the hat is out of the bag, in one day, she moved out and out of the relationship, as she claimed.
2nd, Once Nick spoke to Henrietta. He gave up on trying to cure her. The suppression potion was never presented as a cure. Key Word "SUPPRESSION".
3rd, the tread is insinuating, at least to me, that Nick was jealous of her being more powerful than him, as a Hex. Again, overlooking the facts, Hexenbiests did not fair well against Grimms in the whole frekin show.
4th, Once Nick knew of her Hex-ness, if Nick initially, did pursue a cure, it was a continuation to what Juliette, herself was trying to do. Isn't that why she went to Sean that led her to Henrietta. More facts conveniently to overlooked by this contributor.
To claim as this being thread topic as being to look at it from a different point of view is malarkey.
I wish I could do more readings of past post and more opine-ning but "The Wife" is demanding I take her food shopping". As we say here in NE PA, "Women, can't live with them, you can't kill them". She read this as I typed it and gave me an NCIS back of the head slap.
You know you are OLD, when you see the Slide Ruler you used in college selling in an ANTIQUE SHOP!!