05-12-2018, 10:34 AM
(This post was last modified: 05-12-2018, 10:57 AM by dicappatore.)
(05-12-2018, 12:57 AM)Tara Wrote: Uhm I know it will be very uncomfortable when I write it that way but still I need do it now: If it had not been for Juliette - that Adalind needed protection, would Nick have ever seen his own son?
I mean, because she was looking for another father for her son, since her plan did not work the way she wanted it to be. After that she reached Nick.
Obviously we will never know. If the Royals bought into her claim that her second pregnancy was of Royal blood, Nick would probably have never known of it and never got involved. That would make a great spinoff for a later date. Better yet, if the show went past 6 seasons we could be experiencing what will come in fruition as in the Game of Thrones and John Snow upcoming transformation.
Hey, you Fan fiction addicts. Thats a hell of a idea to write about. An illegitimate, better yet, Bastard Grimm brought up as a Royal.
(05-12-2018, 07:21 AM)irukandji Wrote:(05-12-2018, 06:57 AM)Robyn Wrote: Juliette leaving Nick at any point is her choice. The issue is how she chose to make her decision clear to Nick and her former friends. She could have just as easily trashed an area of the Spice Shop and warned the group of any further contact. That Juliette chose to demonstrate how easily she could harm or kill them doesn’t speak to a woman who’s tired of friends trying to force a relationship she no longer wants.
Juliette could have answered one of Nick’s numerous calls to inform him she wasn’t going to meet with him and wasn’t interested in whatever concoction he had to ‘help’ her. She didn’t have to go to the Spice Shop to make her decision clear. But really, it wasn’t her decision she was following through on. Juliette was already working with Kenneth when Nick began calling her about the suppressant. She held off returning Nick’s call at Kenneth’s request and went to the Spice Shop at Kenneth’s request, just as she lured Kelly to the house at Kenneth’s request. Juliette followed the same destructive path with Kenneth that Adalind followed with Renard, and both women ultimately suffered the consequences of bad decisions.
Given their antagonistic history, Nick aligning with Adalind was a huge risk. But just as Adalind can’t rationally blame Renard and her mother for her decisions, Juliette can’t blame Nick, their friends, or Kenneth for her decisions. Just as Adalind could have cut ties with Renard and her mother to make a good life for herself, Juliette could have cut ties with Nick and their friends to make a life she could be happy with instead of aligning with Kenneth. Nick was a selfish jerk leaving the house that night and sleeping on the sofa when he returned. But Nick’s ill-fated reaction to Juliette being a Hexenbiest doesn’t hold up as the reason for Juliette’s mad dash to dropping a statue on Adalind, attacking Nick and their friends, aligning with Kenneth, and setting up Kelly. If Adalind’s previous actions established why Nick shouldn’t have trusted her, Juliette’s actions established why he should be equally leery of her. Both women were educated with established careers. And both women allowed their run-amok emotions and behavior to devastate that valuable benefit.
You're saying Juliette's responsible for her actions. I'm not disagreeing. I'm just saying Nick knew she was leaving. It wasn't up to Juliette to make sure Rosalee and the rest knew she was leaving. Nick would be the one to tell them.
And in Juliette's defense, we saw how all of the scoobies pulled away from her. Rosalee talked to her about her headaches one day at the house, but what happened to Rosalee's concern for her friend after that? The next interaction we see between Rosalee and Juliette is in prison. And even then, Rosalee continues to rationalize that "they needed Nick to be a grimm" and so, Juliette's side effects are just that. They are Juliette's and no one else's because the important thing is that Nick got his grimm back.
This wasn't a case of all of the scoobies rallying around a fallen comrade to help her get back on her feet. Once Nick deserted her, they all followed. Nick is the lead on the scoobies. They're not going to pick Juliette over him.
As for the spice shop, I'm not disagreeing with your assessment of Juliette. Kenneth took a huge gamble in sending her there, knowing what she might do.
But what happened in the spice shop was not all Juliette's fault. I believe that a certain amount of responsibility also falls with Nick and the scoobies. Nick, Hank, and Monroe never should have been there. Armed as they were, they presented a show of force. There was no way for Juliette to see it otherwise.
Talk about putting someone in their place? Job well done, Robyn. Again, you are a much better diplomat than I will ever be. BTW, the replies to your "putting someone in their place" postings by your challenger to these postings are lame. And it looks as if you are about to fall in a spiral disagreement. But I am sure you will pull out before the "head banging into a wall" situation pops up.
You know you are OLD, when you see the Slide Ruler you used in college selling in an ANTIQUE SHOP!!